Foxtel Cup Semi-Final: Williamstown vs East Perth

[Rocco Jones]

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Want to ask a question to the regular Willy viewers. From my observations, while Tutt doesn't get much of it, when he does it's in space, close to goal and in the corridor. How much is it about his smarts and how much is due to 'cheating'? If he can replicate it at AFL level while still being disclipined on his opponent I feel he can get a game pretty soon despite his inability to win much of it.

[Rocco Jones]

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Has he been playing this role for Williamstown? Watched a bit today and he seemd to be playing as an on-ball tagger and was going ok.

I guess his ability to break back into the team and to play in the forwardline might be dependent upon Hooper performing well tomorrow.

He seems to be a bit of a floater for Willy, mainly playing off HBF. I think the way footy is played now, playing as a tagger/HBF isn't the worst preparation for a defensive forward. Pretty similar skill sets required, if anything HBFs probably need to be more attacking! I think the HB role he has been playing is more that mixed HBF/wing/just another runner variety anyway.

Totally agree with Hooper call. For mine it's Hooper vs DJ vs Addison for a defensive forward role atm.

TBH I don't mind Reid getting a game ahead of him at the minute. Reid hasn't had much luck in his time and is pretty much playing for his career with us. Libba has time on his side and looks to be a 200 gamer in waiting, but Reid who plays a similiar role deserves to be given a decent run at it.

Totally agree. That's why I asked if Libba is one too many as I do believe Reid should have a spot ahead of him atm.
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Just another point- Brennan Stack
He showed glimpses in the 2nd half that really impressed me. I know the game was done and the oppositon poor but he has an innate ability to strongly carry the ball and break lines when he has the confidence. I don't think his main issues are about being 'soft' (don't get me wrong, I definitely don't think he is hard etc) but his confidence.

His strength IMO revolves around leaving his opponent and hitting the ball at full speed then breaking a line etc. That strength really requires confidence. I think he is more scared of the ball than the man. Just my call.

He will probably never put it all together, just too much needs to go right in his head (and heart) but boy he has some tools (I know stating the obvious to an extent). HBF is definitely his go though.

[The Coon Dog]

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This was the jumper Willy wore:

[Rocco Jones]

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Good work TCD, I liked it too. Reminded me of West Coast's glorious yellow peril design. Long live the yellow peril. In fact I might chuck in the traditional jumper group thing and start up a yellow peril for the Bulldogs jumper group. Who's with me?

[Doc26]

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Williamstown 6.4 10.5 13.5 16.7 (103)
East Perth 0.2 1.3 2.7 4.8 (32)

Goals
Williamstown: Veszpremi 4, Cravino 2, Minson 2, Goodes 2 Addison, Johnson, Hahn, Howard, Tutt, Johannisen
East Perth: Smith 2, Shepheard

Best
Williamstown: Addison, Veszpremi, Liberatore, Minson, Davies, Johnson, Goodes
East Perth: Smith, Shepheard, MacCaulay, Chartres, Clutterbuck, Moss, Sweet

Thanks TCD for this update.

I just finished watching my recording of the game on Foxtel to find their bleedin EPG was out. I allowed a 15min overrun and missed the last 13mins.

At least Woof could be relied on.

[Greystache]

Re: Foxtel Cup Semi-Final: Williamstown vs East Perth

Want to ask a question to the regular Willy viewers. From my observations, while Tutt doesn't get much of it, when he does it's in space, close to goal and in the corridor. How much is it about his smarts and how much is due to 'cheating'? If he can replicate it at AFL level while still being disclipined on his opponent I feel he can get a game pretty soon despite his inability to win much of it.

I watched him a bit today, he plays a wing very much the way players did in the 90's, he hangs out on one side of the ground running up and back, even when the ball is out the other side or even in the corridor. I wouldn't call him a cheat, he does run hard to create position, but he allows himself to get forward regularly because he doesn't cover both sides of the ground. If that is clear at all?

[Greystache]

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Thanks TCD for this update.

I just finished watching my recording of the game on Foxtel to find their beedin EPG was out. I allowed a 15min overrun and missed the last 13mins.

At least Woof could be relied on.

Don't worry Doc, the last quarter the players just went through the motions, the sting was completely out of the game.

[Rocco Jones]

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I watched him a bit today, he plays a wing very much the way players did in the 90's, he hangs out on one side of the ground running up and back, even when the ball is out the other side or even in the corridor. I wouldn't call him a cheat, he does run hard to create position, but he allows himself to get forward regularly because he doesn't cover both sides of the ground. If that is clear at all?

It is clear to me at least because that's the way I see it as well. I think it goes a long way in explaining why he doesn't get much of it. A very interesting player.

[Remi Moses]

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Thanks TCD for this update.

I just finished watching my recording of the game on Foxtel to find their bleedin EPG was out. I allowed a 15min overrun and missed the last 13mins.

At least Woof could be relied on.

Ditto, missed the last quarter!
Agree re- Libba ( looks a tad stuffed) only natural
Vezspremi - must be close to getting a gig, thought his effort was good and adds a touch of class with good finishing
Addison - also must be close to a game
In all honesty hard to get a Gage with this game.
Skinner shows glimpses of greatness, now needs to get the fitness up
Howard - needs to do more

[ledge]

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I watched him a bit today, he plays a wing very much the way players did in the 90's, he hangs out on one side of the ground running up and back, even when the ball is out the other side or even in the corridor. I wouldn't call him a cheat, he does run hard to create position, but he allows himself to get forward regularly because he doesn't cover both sides of the ground. If that is clear at all?

I would think its coaches instructions or he would get dragged

[Hotdog60]

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On Vezspremi, I thought he tackled well and chased ok. Not overly fast but can kick for goal very well.
The opposition wasn't all that strong but if Hopper doesn't cut it I would like to see Vez get the next shot at it. I think he would be smarter around Hall and Jones, not a big crumber of the ball but smarter around the contest..

[LostDoggy]

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I've already mentioned previously 'defensive forward' is this new position where you stick blokes you have no position for.
As a once off it may have benefits but I don't think it could work weekly.

[GVGjr]

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I've already mentioned previously 'defensive forward' is this new position where you stick blokes you have no position for.
As a once off it may have benefits but I don't think it could work weekly.

I tend to agree but at times there is a need to put the breaks on an attacking defender.
We did a good job on Fisher a few weeks back plus some sides are now employing it against the likes of Scarlett and Fletcher. Not something that can be done every week but I'm sure sides will use that ploy when the needs arise.

[Desipura]

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I've already mentioned previously 'defensive forward' is this new position where you stick blokes you have no position for.
As a once off it may have benefits but I don't think it could work weekly.

Totally agree.
I will add a defensive forward is a player who cannot get much of the ball, does not kick goals, has limitations in his game, however he can tackle and or apply physical pressure. This type of player is in the side due to a teams inability to lay tackles in their forward line. Let's address this issue rather than mask it.
I do not know any of the successful teams who have have played this type of player week in week out.

[comrade]

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Totally agree.
I will add a defensive forward is a player who cannot get much of the ball, does not kick goals, has limitations in his game, however he can tackle and or apply physical pressure. This type of player is in the side due to a teams inability to lay tackles in their forward line. Let's address this issue rather than mask it.
I do not know any of the successful teams who have have played this type of player week in week out.

Max Rooke says hi.