TAC Future Stars - Phantom Draft

[Desipura]

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I am actually in the 'package up the picks and get a forward' group at the moment. If we get Toumpas, fine, he is a nice player and a worthy top 5 pick - but I am not sure how he helps.

I am ready for a big 'roll the dice' moment. I know it didn't work for Brisbane and Fevola, but I am already tired of turning on the game every week to watch a slaughter...it isn't even purgatory - we are down in hell two years after a prelim with seemingly no-way out.

Take some chances - give us (me) hope. If it means we finish last for a season or so, well, as long as I can see a plan I don't care.

I cannot see any gun forward being available. I think we need to use all our picks on kids, we do not have enough talent coming through. We need a replacement for Cooney, is there one likely to be available at pick 5. The only way out is to get kids not a 2 pick for one player type deal.

[mjp]

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Here's the rest of the list

1. Lachie Whitfield
2. Johnathan O'Rouke
3. Jack Viney
4. Brodie Grundy
5. Jimmy Toumpass
6. Sam Mayes
7. Oliver Wines
8. Troy Menzel
9. Dayle Garlett
10. Lachlan Plowman
11. Kristian Jacksh
12. Jackson McCrae
13. Ben Kennedy
14. Tim O'Brien
15. Josh Simpson
16. Joe Daniher
17. Taylor Garner
18. Nathan Wright
20. Nick Vlastuin
21. Tim Membrey
22. Tim Broomehead

I don't see it.

I seriously need someone to tell me why Grundy - nowhere near the ruckman Longer is - keeps getting nominated top 5...isn't he more Kurt Tippet than Dean Cox? And if he plays forward, he needs to learn how to lead etc...I can't see it. And Menzel has already had a LARS...top 10?

I am continually baffled by little things like this. Surely Jaksch as a key forward and Plowman as a key back move up the list??? And isn't Vlastuin a better player than O'Rourke?

[GVGjr]

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I don't see it.

I seriously need someone to tell me why Grundy - nowhere near the ruckman Longer is - keeps getting nominated top 5...isn't he more Kurt Tippet than Dean Cox? And if he plays forward, he needs to learn how to lead etc...I can't see it. And Menzel has already had a LARS...top 10?

I am continually baffled by little things like this. Surely Jaksch as a key forward and Plowman as a key back move up the list??? And isn't Vlastuin a better player than O'Rourke?

On talent, Menzel is a top 10 pick but it would be very hard for a side to take him in the top 10 I would have thought given he has already had the LARS procedure.

I quite like Grundy but I don't see him as a top 5 either. I'd have him around pick 10 or a touch later.

[Missing Dog]

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I don't see it.

I seriously need someone to tell me why Grundy - nowhere near the ruckman Longer is - keeps getting nominated top 5...isn't he more Kurt Tippet than Dean Cox? And if he plays forward, he needs to learn how to lead etc...I can't see it. And Menzel has already had a LARS...top 10?

I am continually baffled by little things like this. Surely Jaksch as a key forward and Plowman as a key back move up the list??? And isn't Vlastuin a better player than O'Rourke?

Grundy didn't impress me as a forward much. Agree Longer looked better.
Menzel is a big risk.
I don't agree on Jaksch, I remain unconvinced.
Plowman will surely go top 5. I would be surprised if he didn't.
I doubt O'Rourke will go that high.

[mjp]

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Grundy didn't impress me as a forward much. Agree Longer looked better.
Menzel is a big risk.
I don't agree on Jaksch, I remain unconvinced.
Plowman will surely go top 5. I would be surprised if he didn't.
I doubt O'Rourke will go that high.

I agree with you on Jaksch...but who is a better key forward apart from Daniher and Hogan? And one is fs and the other a GWS mini-draft candidate?

[GVGjr]

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I cannot see any gun forward being available. I think we need to use all our picks on kids, we do not have enough talent coming through. We need a replacement for Cooney, is there one likely to be available at pick 5. The only way out is to get kids not a 2 pick for one player type deal.

Not only do we need a replacement for Cooney I'd mark down identifying someone to replace Murphy as a priority as well.

[Missing Dog]

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I agree with you on Jaksch...but who is a better key forward apart from Daniher and Hogan? And one is fs and the other a GWS mini-draft candidate?

I guess it depends if a club wants a key forward that badly. I personally wouldn't be paying a top 10 pick on him from what I've seen.

[GVGjr]

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It's to be expected but there are some big differences between the Insider Football players and the TAC FS draft order

[mjp]

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I don't know enough about the authors - it will depend on who has the best recruiter 'ins' as to who has the best estimate of the order...

[Bornadog]

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I don't believe we need a key forward as such we need some very good HFF who can kick goals week in week out. Where is our Eddy Betts, or Milne. We have really missed Johnno, Gia and Akers 40 to 50 goals over the past few seasons.

[jeemak]

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I am actually in the 'package up the picks and get a forward' group at the moment. If we get Toumpas, fine, he is a nice player and a worthy top 5 pick - but I am not sure how he helps.

I am ready for a big 'roll the dice' moment. I know it didn't work for Brisbane and Fevola, but I am already tired of turning on the game every week to watch a slaughter...it isn't even purgatory - we are down in hell two years after a prelim with seemingly no-way out.

Take some chances - give us (me) hope. If it means we finish last for a season or so, well, as long as I can see a plan I don't care.

I don't see how our current ball movement, which is deplorable, will be assisted by trading for a gun forward, irrespective of who might be available. Last year and in 2010 we had Hall who was more than serviceable, but his presence and goal kicking only lead to our defficiencies across the ground being exposed later than they should have been.

We currently don't have players coming through that can be trusted to make good decisions with ball in hand and dispose of it effectively. Over the last couple of weeks Hawthorn has shown without Franklin that goal scoring will take care of itself if you have players capable of using the ball well, supplemented by forwards that are willing to present themselves as a viable target. Jones, Cordy and Grant will prove to be such forwards in due course.

I'll leave the player selection up to others who are better informed than I, though I'll be massively peeved if we don't draft talented youth with our top two picks.

Anyway, as others have said I'm not too sure there's going to be anyone available worth rolling the dice on.

[comrade]

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We have so many gaps we'd need every pick in the top 10 to address them. Without knowing much about the pool, it seems light on for key forwards and our lack of quality in the midfield is our biggest gap IMO (yeah, the forward line stinks but Buddy would look like a hack in our team). Use pick 5 & 6 to get the best mids. You can't have too many good players in the midfield.

We're going to suck next year too, so we can always look at a gun forward then.

Let's say we have 6 picks this year. I'd like the balance to be something like: 2 gun mids with first 2 picks, mid sized defender, mid sized forward, tall defender, small forward. Possibly go for another midfielder if there's a good one available.

The number 1 criteria is that every player can kick. It's a non negotiable.

Please don't f*** this up Dalrymple.

[Sedat]

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Over the last couple of weeks Hawthorn has shown without Franklin that goal scoring will take care of itself if you have players capable of using the ball well, supplemented by forwards that are willing to present themselves as a viable target.

Sounds an awful lot like our 2008-2009 teams, who had the hulking figure of Scott Welsh as our only key forward of note (and Minno in 2008). I just want to see us draft players who make excellent decisions with the ball and can use it well by hand and foot. We have so many holes everywhere that we simply can't afford to be cute with our selections.

[Mofra]

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Over the last couple of weeks Hawthorn has shown without Franklin that goal scoring will take care of itself if you have players capable of using the ball well, supplemented by forwards that are willing to present themselves as a viable target. Jones, Cordy and Grant will prove to be such forwards in due course.

They had Gunston & Roughead who are both better than anything we have in the forward 50 at the moment.
Hale can provide a contest at a pinch too - that's before you factor in their mids & smalls.

I'm all for rolling the dice if something comes along - and that something may be identified as a 17 year old in the mini draft.

Edit - I'm still worried by the fact we are effectively rebuilding whilst the two expansion clubs build their lists.

[stefoid]

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Line breakers - guys who can deal with pressure without having to dispose of the ball - players with speed, evasiveness and know how to use both to carry the ball into space and hit targets by foot. {insert photo of yarran or jetta here}

Two of those guys please.

NOT straight-line-heros like Sherman and Grant, please.

NO MORE handball harrys or slam-it-on-yer-boot sams, please.

(problem I see with tutt is that he is good with the ball in space (like eagleton was) , but Im not sure he is good at carrying the ball into space. Players who are only good reciving when they are allready in space are very easy to shut down. Ones that have the ability to carry the ball out of trouble are very hard to shut down. We need more of those.)