National Draft Order

[Bornadog]

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So GWS get the first 3 picks for the second year in a row, and gave up nothing to get them .

Well they finshed bottom, but yeah it stinks. They have 5 picks in the first round.

[Greystache]

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Well they finshed bottom, but yeah it stinks.

They should never have been allowed to trade MD picks for ND draft picks. The idea was to give them access to mature players and provide the established team losing them with access to good young players to replenish. As it is they're just loading up on more kids who'll get smashed for another couple of years before they mature all around the same time (5-6 years 100-120 games). So instead of smoothing out the peaks and troughs of competitiveness they've made it even worse.

[Mantis]

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They should never have been allowed to trade MD picks for ND draft picks. The idea was to give them access to mature players and provide the established team losing them with access to good young players to replenish. As it is they're just loading up on more kids who'll get smashed for another couple of years before they mature all around the same time (5-6 years 100-120 games). So instead of smoothing out the peaks and troughs of competitiveness they've made it even worse.

Sounds a bit like us... except GWS (and GC) have had access to the very best kids in terms of picks.

Lets hope we make our picks count.

[Greystache]

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Sounds a bit like us... except GWS (and GC) have had access to the very best kids in terms of picks.

Lets hope we make our picks count.

It does, but no doubt GC and GWS will have excuses made for them because they're teams full of kids, I'm betting we don't. GC's recruiter isn't renowned for nailing first round draft picks, GC's list in 2-3 will be interesting to see.

We have to, otherwise we'll be like Melbourne, starting a rebuild from scratch after rebuilding for the past 5 years.

[Bornadog]

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We have to, otherwise we'll be like Melbourne, starting a rebuild from scratch after rebuilding for the past 5 years.

This is what worries me.

[Greystache]

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This is what worries me.

I think most of the young players we've recruited in the last 2 years have all shown potential very quickly, a couple already are established in Wallis, Libba, Dahlhaus, even Smith to some extent. JJ, Jong, and Pearce have some potential, and Talia, Roberts, and Campbell are the most promising young talls we've recruited in my living memory. The question with young players is at what point they stop imrpoving, if it's 28 then we've got a powerful team in development, if it's 21 we're screwed.

Dalrymple seems to have a good eye and I'm hopefull he can nail this draft, although his first draft of Howard, Tutt, and Thorne are hurting us.

I'd like to us try to pick another couple of mature recruits in the next few drafts, it can make a big difference in how quickly we rebuild. Dickson looks a great addition, another couple like that would be nice. Austin has shown a little too.

[Sedat]

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Dalrymple seems to have a good eye and I'm hopefull he can nail this draft, although his first draft of Howard, Tutt, and Thorne are hurting us.

Yep, his first draft was a shocker and has blotted his copybook but he's certainly unearthed some gems in subsequent drafts. This coming draft is the most important our club has faced in many years - he simply has to nail the majority of the picks.

Richmond were similarly talking up a new era of sustained success with their 5 picks in the top 20 in 2003 and they still haven't tasted finals action 9 years on. I'm crossing my fingers that we nail this draft and set ourselves up with a quality list in 2-3 years' time.

[LongWait]

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Yep, his first draft was a shocker and has blotted his copybook but he's certainly unearthed some gems in subsequent drafts. This coming draft is the most important our club has faced in many years - he simply has to nail the majority of the picks.

Richmond were similarly talking up a new era of sustained success with their 5 picks in the top 20 in 2003 and they still haven't tasted finals action 9 years on. I'm crossing my fingers that we nail this draft and set ourselves up with a quality list in 2-3 years' time.

We appear hell-bent on getting as many low picks as we can. A lot of faith being shown in our ability to pick young talent and then develop it. As you pointed out Sedat - let's hope that we do a better job of it than Richmond did.

[Greystache]

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Yep, his first draft was a shocker and has blotted his copybook but he's certainly unearthed some gems in subsequent drafts. This coming draft is the most important our club has faced in many years - he simply has to nail the majority of the picks.

I'll never understand why we/he decided to go that way in his first draft, picking Menzel/Fyfe/Bastinac and Reid, all of whom were predicted to be drafted around our picks and he has a very good record. I'm still confident he can hit the mark this year.

[azabob]

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Our seemingly strong draft position is now going very quickly.

If the Dawes trade is announced as pick 21 & 47.

Our position on draft day will be

Pick 5 & 6
Pick 41
Pick 46 (Lachie Hunter)
Pick 65

Quite a weak position considering the draft isn't as strong as previously indicated.

[jeemak]

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I think most of the young players we've recruited in the last 2 years have all shown potential very quickly, a couple already are established in Wallis, Libba, Dahlhaus, even Smith to some extent. JJ, Jong, and Pearce have some potential, and Talia, Roberts, and Campbell are the most promising young talls we've recruited in my living memory. The question with young players is at what point they stop imrpoving, if it's 28 then we've got a powerful team in development, if it's 21 we're screwed.

Dalrymple seems to have a good eye and I'm hopefull he can nail this draft, although his first draft of Howard, Tutt, and Thorne are hurting us.

I'd like to us try to pick another couple of mature recruits in the next few drafts, it can make a big difference in how quickly we rebuild. Dickson looks a great addition, another couple like that would be nice. Austin has shown a little too.

If you believe some minimal scuttlebutt Tutt isn't rated by the coach, though I'm not close to it at all so I can't back anything up, and I still think he'll be a good player given another preseason or two to get his tank up.

Unlike you, and some others I actually think Howard will be a pretty good pick for us. That only mitigates, rather than excuse, Dalrymple missing other players when he was selected, though amongst a few clear defensive and awareness blunders I saw some very good intent, accumulation and ball use from Howard this year. He seems to be a confidence player for mine, and his left foot will be a weapon with the main concern being he won't be able to back it up with smarts. I'm not willing to write him off yet, particularly after his first year was derailed by sugery.

Thorne's not one I can excuse. It was always a bit of a reach, irrespective of his first year reco.

Dalrymple's non-FS picks have been pretty good thus far. Potentially he's been helped by the fact we're having to play kids, and I agree that while they've shown various level of promise turning them into players that have reasonable careers will determine his value.

[Doc26]

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I'm still counting on good triumphing over evil, and that GWS and GC might eventually become unstuck due to a lack of identity and from it simply being fabricated from nothing.

It's started with Caddy and GC, let's hope it continues and that all Clubs now play a part in helping to even the playing field by luring the lads back from Gattica.

[anfo27]

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I'm still counting on good triumphing over evil, and that GWS and GC might eventually become unstuck due to a lack of identity and from it simply being fabricated from nothing.

It's started with Caddy and GC, let's hope it continues and that all Clubs now play a part in helping to even the playing field by luring the lads back from Gattica.

I'm dreaming we can load up & go after Patton next year. Finish low enough that we tell GWS to get stuffed & we are giving you nothing cause we'll grab him in the pre-season draft.

[chef]

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I'm dreaming we can load up & go after Patton next year. Finish low enough that we tell GWS to get stuffed & we are giving you nothing cause we'll grab him in the pre-season draft.

That would mean we would have to finish last.

[KT31]

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That would mean we would have to finish last.

So we are have a shot then.