1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

[Remi Moses]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Michael Klinger should be playing in this side .
If birth certificates don't matter them sheer weight of runs should matter .

[Greystache]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Michael Klinger should be playing in this side .
If birth certificates don't matter them sheer weight of runs should matter .

He averages 38 in first class cricket. No thanks.

[Remi Moses]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

He averages 38 in first class cricket. No thanks.

What does Voges average? Marsh has had a shot on numerous occasions and failed.
I'd say he's average is no better.

[GVGjr]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

What does Voges average? Marsh has had a shot on numerous occasions and failed.
I'd say he's average is no better.

Voges averages 45.16 in first class games

On form it's hard to justify a M.Marsh a selection and his average in first class games is 31.82

[Rocco Jones]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

He averages 38 in first class cricket. No thanks.

Averaged 58 last season. Dominant in the first Shield round.

[Greystache]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Averaged 58 last season. Dominant in the first Shield round.

A good season. He'd need to do a hell of a lot more than one good season to be considered for higher honours for me. History shows that journeymen players who get called up after a run of good form get exposed badly at the next level.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

A good season. He'd need to do a hell of a lot more than one good season to be considered for higher honours for me. History shows that journeymen players who get called up after a run of good form get exposed badly at the next level.

I get what you mean but this is not golden era Australia. The benchmark is averaging 30s in first class cricket. If no one has multi year form, I go to form over a year. Pretty simple for mine, Klinger has the longest term proven form.

[lemmon]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

I get what you mean but this is not golden era Australia. The benchmark is averaging 30s in first class cricket. If no one has multi year form, I go to form over a year. Pretty simple for mine, Klinger has the longest term proven form.

That's the same selection criteria that had Quiney, Doolan, Bailey and Cowan all given test caps and Voges may very well be headed down the same path. I have no doubt Klinger would get runs against the West Indies and possibly New Zealand but I'd say 75% of first class batsman around the country would fancy themselves able to do the same. Form is temporary and all of these guys have been shown to be the class below test match cricket, people talk about finding the next Hussey, Katich or Rogers? Well those 3 averaged close enough to 50 at first class level, not high 30's as all those guys mentioned (bar Voges) do.

I get the idea that this is a 'test' and it's about picking the best players in the nation for each game based on form without age coming into question but the reality is young guys given games on potential and allowed the opportunity to find their feet prove to be the best players. Warne, Clarke, Smith, S. Waugh are all examples of it.

The Windies series in particular is one of the last opportunities to give someone like a Burns, Bancroft or Hanscomb a relatively soft opening before a tough tour of New Zealand and then over to South Africa. Even a 28 year old like Khawaja, let's find out for good whether he's a Test match player now rather than wait till he's 35 and piling domestic runs like Klinger is.

[Sedat]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Averaged 58 last season. Dominant in the first Shield round.

Thanks Rocco, I thought his average would have been trending up significantly in recent seasons. He was very much an unfulfilled talent in his early days.

[Remi Moses]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

I get what you mean but this is not golden era Australia. The benchmark is averaging 30s in first class cricket. If no one has multi year form, I go to form over a year. Pretty simple for mine, Klinger has the longest term proven form.

We wouldn't pick anyone these days on multi year form.
A far cry from the 90's when players averaging over 50 didn't get a look in.
He's been in very good form in all forms of the game, and it reeks of boys club mentality again

[lemmon]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

We wouldn't pick anyone these days on multi year form.
A far cry from the 90's when players averaging over 50 didn't get a look in.
He's been in very good form in all forms of the game, and it reeks of boys club mentality again

How?

[lemmon]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Siddle will be the Aussie 12th man, the Kiwis have recalled Bracewell for Matt Henry

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Smiths made 10,000,000 runs at number 3 but is going down the order... Are we expecting a quick wicket or two with the newish top order?

[Twodogs]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Why do we keep mucking around with our batting order? Why not leave Smith at 3 and build the rest around him? If the most important slot is being filled as capably as Smith is then why on earth would you compromise it to bring a player in. Why bring a player on to fill a spot that's not a problem? Not to mention we are blooding a new opener.

[Greystache]

Re: 1st Test Match, Vs New Zealand - 5 Nov 2015

Why do we keep mucking around with our batting order? Why not leave Smith at 3 and build the rest around him? If the most important slot is being filled as capably as Smith is then why on earth would you compromise it to bring a player in. Why bring a player on to fill a spot that's not a problem? Not to mention we are blooding a new opener.

It seems we're so desperate to protect our best batsmen that number 3 has effectively become the position where we throw every developing fringe player to the wolves. The fact we have a clinical obsession with playing all rounders, regardless of quality, means we probably feel the need to protect our few capable batsmen.

All we end up with is batting frailty at the top of the order and in the middle order with a couple of players being relied upon to carry the rest. It's insane but we love to repeat it collapse after collapse after collapse.