Australia vs West Indies 1st Test

[GVGjr]

I see Nathan Coutler-Nile has been called into the first test squad against the Windies.
I quite like NCN but he hasn't played a lot of cricket in the past few weeks. What concerns me is Rod Marsh has said this is a 'gut feel' selection.

With some injury doubts on Siddle, Scott Boland has been placed on stand-by

The suqad is:
Steve Smith (c), David Warner (vc), Joe Burns, Nathan Coulter-Nile, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Shaun Marsh, Peter Nevill, James Pattinson, Peter Siddle, Adam Voges

[azabob]

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Our fast bowling stocks certainly are being tested. Especially more so with talk Hazlewood is also potentially carrying a niggle.

Why wasn't Jackson Bird considered?

[GVGjr]

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Our fast bowling stocks certainly are being tested. Especially more so with talk Hazlewood is also potentially carrying a niggle.

Why wasn't Jackson Bird considered?

Good question, Rod Marsh appears to look a lot deeper at his selections than what most of us would.

[LostDoggy]

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The query must be that WA Marsh has given a pretty generous run to WA S.Marsh, WA M.Marsh and now a WA paceman who has a bowling first class average of 98 over recent months and a decidedly mediocre overall first class record.

[lemmon]

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I'm not a Coulter Nile fan, think he's a poor man's Pattinson but Jackson Bird has only been okay since returning from injury. My question is why not Chadd Sayers? He hasnt missed a trick after 12 months out. Short and skiddy guy, bowls the Philander line and length while getting some serious outswing. He's only about 135kph but has just about the best Shield record in the country while bowling at Adelaide half the time.

I hated the talk from McDermott about not wanting to get to the guys who bowl below 140kph. Makes no sense after seeing the attack struggle in the Ashes.

[Cyberdoggie]

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I'm not a Coulter Nile fan, think he's a poor man's Pattinson but Jackson Bird has only been okay since returning from injury. My question is why not Chadd Sayers? He hasnt missed a trick after 12 months out. Short and skiddy guy, bowls the Philander line and length while getting some serious outswing. He's only about 135kph but has just about the best Shield record in the country while bowling at Adelaide half the time.

I hated the talk from McDermott about not wanting to get to the guys who bowl below 140kph. Makes no sense after seeing the attack struggle in the Ashes.

Yeah if they used that as a minimum then G McGrath would never have played for starters.

[Greystache]

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I'm not a Coulter Nile fan, think he's a poor man's Pattinson but Jackson Bird has only been okay since returning from injury. My question is why not Chadd Sayers? He hasnt missed a trick after 12 months out. Short and skiddy guy, bowls the Philander line and length while getting some serious outswing. He's only about 135kph but has just about the best Shield record in the country while bowling at Adelaide half the time.

I hated the talk from McDermott about not wanting to get to the guys who bowl below 140kph. Makes no sense after seeing the attack struggle in the Ashes.

Is it a case of not wanting too much of the same? With Hazlewood and M Marsh in the 130's do we want another medium pace bowler? The NZ attack was filled with 130ish km/h bowlers and looked utterly pedestrian when the conditions didn't suit.

[lemmon]

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Is it a case of not wanting too much of the same? With Hazlewood and M Marsh in the 130's do we want another medium pace bowler? The NZ attack was filled with 130ish km/h bowlers and looked utterly pedestrian when the conditions didn't suit.

I agree that with Hazlewood and Siddle you'd like an explosive third partner but the exact quote from McDermott was:
"We wouldn't want too many more injuries because then we get down past the blokes who are bowling 140kph plus and that's the way in which we like to put our bowling attack together for the first three bowlers"

Pace is a plus on Australian pitches but I don't like how it sounds as if bowling at 140+ is a prerequisite for being one of the best 3 quicks in the country (that probably puts a line through Siddle and Hazlewood most days).

Also the Windies are currently struggling against what is a team of promising kids who can't crack their Shield sides at 154/6 on day one.

[Bornadog]

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Hazelwood may be rested for the next test?

[The Pie Man]

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Probably doesn't matter playing against WI, though the ball will swing in Hobart - yet we want to stick to fast guys only?

The Coulter-Nile selection is one of the weirdest picks I've seen Australia make in nearly 40 years of following cricket.

Didn't like the language around shield averages for batsmen either a few weeks back - suggests not a lot of state cricket gets watched, and subsequently recent form counts for little

[Axe Man]

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Pattinson in for Starc the only change. Also confirmed that Mitch Marsh will remain at 6 in the batting order.

David Warner, Joe Burns, Steve Smith (c), Adam Voges, Shaun Marsh, Mitchell Marsh, Peter Nevill (wk), James Pattinson, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Coulter-Nile (12th)

[LostDoggy]

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Pattinson in for Starc the only change. Also confirmed that Mitch Marsh will remain at 6 in the batting order.

David Warner, Joe Burns, Steve Smith (c), Adam Voges, Shaun Marsh, Mitchell Marsh, Peter Nevill (wk), James Pattinson, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Coulter-Nile (12th)

Hard to be overly enthused about the first class cricket scene at present. People seem to be promoted to Test spots on reputation/gut feels, whilst those performing modestly are holding their spots largely as a result of those at Shield level failing to consistently perform. Gee it'd be nice to see a youngster (these days anyone under 28) peel off some consecutive big scores/wicket hauls.

[Twodogs]

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You can't get reverse swing at under 135 so they reckon so maybe he's taking that into account.

[bulldogtragic]

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Very happy to see Patto back. If he can stay fit and Cummins can get and stay fit, we have 4 excellent quicks at our finger tips for a while to come.

[Twodogs]

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Two big ifs. They've played less then ten first class games between them in 3 years. Something like that. Googling it would be far too much trouble.