BBL talk.

[jeemak]

Re: BBL talk.

TD has invested in the BBL a lot harder than most of us have.

[Twodogs]

Re: BBL talk.

TD has invested in the BBL a lot harder than most of us have.

I just hate to lose.

[Ozza]

Re: BBL talk.

BBL is on my TV most nights but I barely watch a ball - it is the elevator music of world sport. There is no investment in the teams, either from the fans or the players - it is entertainment for entertainment's sake.

That's not to say it is worthless - it just is what it is.

That is how you feel about it, and that's fine.
But having begun to take my son along the last couple of years, and being members this year - I don't agree.
It isn't as 'sheep stations' as a test match - but the players are very serious about it, you only have to see how they throw themselves around in the field. And as for the fans, well, there was 26,000 people there last night, and at least half would have had some sort of club paraphernalia on it.

It is an awesome competition, and a great way for kids to become interested in the sport and for families to attend it.

Last night was an amazing game - but the 26,000 people left pretty flat with the result.

[Ozza]

Re: BBL talk.

Fantastic display. He played a poor shot for his dismissal but I'm not convinced the umpire made the right call.

Pattinson isn't a smart bowler and that full toss he was called for was a front foot no ball as well.

Wickets are sort of tumbling and George has lifted the tempo. He's not a great cricketer but he makes the most of his ability

Pattinson would have to be up there in terms of the 'worst bowler in the competition' discussion. He is woeful and doesn't have the smarts to play the format.

[Ozza]

Re: BBL talk.

Nup. Change that. I am *!*!*!*!ing ropable the Renegades lost that. I'd run Periera over with my car and the way I feel at the moment if back over him a couple of times just so he could see how to finish a *!*!*!*!ing job off.

I'd do Blocker *!*!*!*!ing Wilson slowly too. No way was that a wide. Peter Neville can get his gear together and *!*!*!*! off back to NSW as well. It's a privilege to be allowed to play for a Melbourne sporting team, and he's lost that right.


I don't care that it's only BBL. I *!*!*!*!ing hate losing. I couldn't give a rats arse if it was tiddlywinks.

Share your frustration TD. After bowling well at the death in Sydney, Perera had a shocker with the bowl last night.
Pattinson always has a shocker. They can't keep playing him.
And agree completely on Nevill. He has absolutely lost it as a keeper. In a Twenty20 game, he probably only gets the chance to glove the bowling 20 times - but he makes 3 mistakes a game. One of them cost us the game in Sydney.

[Twodogs]

Re: BBL talk.

Share your frustration TD. After bowling well at the death in Sydney, Perera had a shocker with the bowl last night.
Pattinson always has a shocker. They can't keep playing him.
And agree completely on Nevill. He has absolutely lost it as a keeper. In a Twenty20 game, he probably only gets the chance to glove the bowling 20 times - but he makes 3 mistakes a game. One of them cost us the game in Sydney.

You may have missed it at the ground but he very nearly (in fact I think he did) hit the bottom of the stump with his glove before Narine's(?) throw hit the wicket in that last run out.

I sit and watch every BBL game with my son. We watch a bit of test cricket and ODIs are on as background noise sometimes but BBL games are the perfect bite sized amount to just sit and watch for us. End of the day, a cricket match that's decided inside three hours with a plethora of opportunities for me to tell him what my old cricket coaches would have said if I had played a cross bat shot like that or not kept my head still or whatever.

[Sedat]

Re: BBL talk.

It is an awesome competition, and a great way for kids to become interested in the sport and for families to attend it.

This is where BBL has it all over other forms of cricket and other sports in general. It is packaged exceptionally well for families and kids as an explosive entertainment vehicle. But the reality is that results are forgotten very quickly, players don't really care above and beyond their current contractual obligations, and if we're being honest the fans don't really give a toss who wins or loses as long as there are plenty of 6's hit. Who even won the BBL last year? As an example of the hype over substance that BBL trades in, there has been more time spent on talking about Andre Russell's black bat than than the actual minutes he's spent out in the middle batting.

It is entertainment personified and is brilliant at it. But there is absolutely no legacy being nurtured and developed in relation to team/competition results or the significance of individual stats. And that's totally cool - it is not designed for that. Most of the current BBL players who aren't regular national players will simply roll onto the next circus, be it the IPL, the West Indies comp or any of the other lucrative T20 comps throughout the world.

[Bornadog]

Re: BBL talk.

I think the BBL has to be careful games aren't scheduled too late into the night. Last night's match finished around 10:45 - way too late for kids to be out and about.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: BBL talk.

This is where BBL has it all over other forms of cricket and other sports in general. It is packaged exceptionally well for families and kids as an explosive entertainment vehicle. But the reality is that results are forgotten very quickly, players don't really care above and beyond their current contractual obligations, and if we're being honest the fans don't really give a toss who wins or loses as long as there are plenty of 6's hit. Who even won the BBL last year? As an example of the hype over substance that BBL trades in, there has been more time spent on talking about Andre Russell's black bat than than the actual minutes he's spent out in the middle batting.

It is entertainment personified and is brilliant at it. But there is absolutely no legacy being nurtured and developed in relation to team/competition results or the significance of individual stats. And that's totally cool - it is not designed for that. Most of the current BBL players who aren't regular national players will simply roll onto the next circus, be it the IPL, the West Indies comp or any of the other lucrative T20 comps throughout the world.

Yeah, I certainly don't begrudge the fans as there is lots of them. Like you I generally have it on in the background (there's nothing else on at the minute) but I don't really watch it. My old man has tried to get me to go to a few games, but I'm not interested. It's great entertainment, but it's not really a sport. It's more like WWE. And the Melbourne presidents are Eddie & Brayshaw which puts me off them too. It makes some people happy and makes a lot of people a lot of money, so more power to them all.

I was contemplating starting a thread to discuss an idea I had, which was to break it away into a different code/sport. Much like Rugby Union & Rugby League. T20 cricket could/should be its own code with players specialising in it. Tests & ODIs be a seperate code. Whilst similar, they're very different like Union/League and require different skill sets, tactics, non techniques etc. Nic Maddinson is the poster boy for how T20 can corrupt a players ability to play international cricket, be it 50 over or test cricket (and should never have been selected this summer). But that's a different convo.

[Twodogs]

Re: BBL talk.

It provides a revenue stream for players that want to play cricket for a living too. It might be a blatantly obvious thing but it's very important. The more kids who see cricket as a future career (I really wish I was a teenager again, I'd NEVER see the inside of an office!) the better.

If one form of cricket were to die out I'd reckon the ODI format would disappear before T20.

[Ozza]

Re: BBL talk.

I think the BBL has to be careful games aren't scheduled too late into the night. Last night's match finished around 10:45 - way too late for kids to be out and about.

Much prefer the 7.10 starting time rather than 7.40 like last night. Not ideal to be getting home at 11pm, but its also not going to stop us going as its an exciting night out for my young bloke & its school holidays etc.

[Twodogs]

Re: BBL talk.

Yeah, I certainly don't begrudge the fans as there is lots of them. Like you I generally have it on in the background (there's nothing else on at the minute) but I don't really watch it. My old man has tried to get me to go to a few games, but I'm not interested. It's great entertainment, but it's not really a sport. It's more like WWE. And the Melbourne presidents are Eddie & Brayshaw which puts me off them too. It makes some people happy and makes a lot of people a lot of money, so more power to them all.

I was contemplating starting a thread to discuss an idea I had, which was to break it away into a different code/sport. Much like Rugby Union & Rugby League. T20 cricket could/should be its own code with players specialising in it. Tests & ODIs be a seperate code. Whilst similar, they're very different like Union/League and require different skill sets, tactics, non techniques etc. Nic Maddinson is the poster boy for how T20 can corrupt a players ability to play international cricket, be it 50 over or test cricket (and should never have been selected this summer). But that's a different convo.

I'd like to see T20 become more tactical. For instance instead of 4 overs I'd like to see bowlers have 24 balls allotted to them and if they want to bowl all 24 balls in a row then fine, that's how they spend their allotment. If they want to bowl 4 balls to start the power play off and then bowl the last 20 balls of the innings at the death, then that's how they do it. Captains could hold a few balls back from a certain bowler they know the next batsman due in has all sorts if trouble with.

I'd like to see designated hitters. Big hitting batsman who just bat. They don't need to field or bowl but if the captain decides the team needs to improve the run rate then he can replace one of the batsmen at the crease with his designated hitter. It's a bit basebally but, guess what, T20 and baseball are pretty much the same thing.

[Ozza]

Re: BBL talk.

This is where BBL has it all over other forms of cricket and other sports in general. It is packaged exceptionally well for families and kids as an explosive entertainment vehicle. But the reality is that results are forgotten very quickly, players don't really care above and beyond their current contractual obligations, and if we're being honest the fans don't really give a toss who wins or loses as long as there are plenty of 6's hit. Who even won the BBL last year? As an example of the hype over substance that BBL trades in, there has been more time spent on talking about Andre Russell's black bat than than the actual minutes he's spent out in the middle batting.

It is entertainment personified and is brilliant at it. But there is absolutely no legacy being nurtured and developed in relation to team/competition results or the significance of individual stats. And that's totally cool - it is not designed for that. Most of the current BBL players who aren't regular national players will simply roll onto the next circus, be it the IPL, the West Indies comp or any of the other lucrative T20 comps throughout the world.

I don't really agree with you. I think it is building a legacy. Its the 6th year of the competition, and each year, the teams are building up their following and fans are getting more invested.

You might not remember who wins the comps, but I think most would remember the Thunder beating the Stars in last years final - and would remember Khawaja dominating the tail end of the season after completing test duties.

Getting sell outs in most cities, and 70,000-80,000 to Melbourne derbies at the MCG...this can only be good for cricket.

I have been a traditionalists when it comes to cricket like many or most on here. But the BBL has won me over as a league to follow during the summer each year. And I am also facing up to the reality that Test cricket - on its own - is a product that won't survive unless you get buy in from the kids via comps like the big bash first, and the Test cricket interest would hopefully follow.

I couldn't care less about International Twenty20, or even any ODI's outside of the World Cup. The ODI's are actually the form of the game with no legacy anymore - particularly now that they just play 5 game series against one country, rather than the old Tri-nation type series where there was finals and a winner.

I will always watch the tests - but seriously, the tests held in Australia, unless we are playing England, SAF or India - they're uncompetitive and little more than an avenue for our players to pad their averages and get a false sense of confidence before they next get belted overseas. I think the evidence of this was in the last 3 days in Melbourne, which - although affected by rain - showed via crowd numbers that there isn't a hell of a lot of interest in watching us play Pakistan.

[Twodogs]

Re: BBL talk.

I don't really agree with you. I think it is building a legacy. Its the 6th year of the competition, and each year, the teams are building up their following and fans are getting more invested.

You might not remember who wins the comps, but I think most would remember the Thunder beating the Stars in last years final - and would remember Khawaja dominating the tail end of the season after completing test duties.

Getting sell outs in most cities, and 70,000-80,000 to Melbourne derbies at the MCG...this can only be good for cricket.

I have been a traditionalists when it comes to cricket like many or most on here. But the BBL has won me over as a league to follow during the summer each year. And I am also facing up to the reality that Test cricket - on its own - is a product that won't survive unless you get buy in from the kids via comps like the big bash first, and the Test cricket interest would hopefully follow.

I couldn't care less about International Twenty20, or even any ODI's outside of the World Cup. The ODI's are actually the form of the game with no legacy anymore - particularly now that they just play 5 game series against one country, rather than the old Tri-nation type series where there was finals and a winner.

I will always watch the tests - but seriously, the tests held in Australia, unless we are playing England, SAF or India - they're uncompetitive and little more than an avenue for our players to pad their averages and get a false sense of confidence before they next get belted overseas. I think the evidence of this was in the last 3 days in Melbourne, which - although affected by rain - showed via crowd numbers that there isn't a hell of a lot of interest in watching us play Pakistan.

Agree with that.

[Bornadog]

Re: BBL talk.

I think T20 will eventually be the final destruction of ODI. ODI have become clinical and therefore boring. The good thing about T20, especially for families is it is over in a few hours, its non stop action and exciting.

It is also exciting to have international players in each team. Good example last night was Stuart Broad coming at number 9 (I think), and finishing off, or watching Kevin Pietersen slam a fast 50 plus the other night.

It wil be interseting to see how many show up to the ODI this summer.