Third Test - Australia v India, Melbourne

[Bornadog]

Re: Third Test - Australia v India, Melbourne

Patrick again, 4 wickets for 2 runs

[Twodogs]

Re: Third Tesst - Australia v India, Melbourne

Do you have the stats on that, because I don't see it.

A quote from Warnie after the Adelaide test:

If you add in the extras to that, 37 (36) extras — 24 (21) of them were byes and I think a missed stumping went for four byes

He got it slightly wrong, Paine "only" conceded 21 byes (and I got it wrong too, 21 byes is one short of the record amount of byes conceded by an Australian wicketkeeper.)

From

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/shane-warne-scathes-mitchell-starc-for-sending-down-16-byes-in-indias-second-innings/news-story/3705419a22f09c39bfe0523b0f7a63ec

[GVGjr]

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Sould we go into the next test with the same 11?

[Happy Days]

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Sould we go into the next test with the same 11?

I'd look to drop Finch, Marsh and Paine but the structure of the first class season has yet again made it impossible.

I could see Handscomb coming in if he makes runs for the Stars again, which is stupid but whatever. Carey should come in for Paine but obviously that isn't happening.

[jeemak]

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I'd look to drop Finch, Marsh and Paine but the structure of the first class season has yet again made it impossible.

I could see Handscomb coming in if he makes runs for the Stars again, which is stupid but whatever. Carey should come in for Paine but obviously that isn't happening.

What if Finch and Marsh make runs tomorrow and the next day?

[Happy Days]

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What if Finch and Marsh make runs tomorrow and the next day?

I saw a stat on Twitter that of every single top 6 batsman in the 140-year history of test cricket to play over 20 tests, Mitch Marsh has the worst average of the lot of them. Extrapolating this, he is the worst non-anomalous batsman in the history of the game.

Finch only averages 7 more than him and can't bowl.

It would have to be a few runs.

[jeemak]

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I saw a stat on Twitter that of every single top 6 batsman in the 140-year history of test cricket to play over 20 tests, Mitch Marsh has the worst average of the lot of them. Extrapolating this, he is the worst non-anomalous batsman in the history of the game.

Finch only averages 7 more than him and can't bowl.

It would have to be a few runs.

I thought you meant Shaun, not Mitch.

Guess the difference between the latter and Finch, is that Mitch has 31 test matches under his belt while Finch only has five - meaning averages aren't as goon an indication (positive or negative) as they might be.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Sould we go into the next test with the same 11?

I would love to advocate for changes...but with no 1st class cricket on, i can't see how we could justify any. No one at Shield level, prior to the break is smashing the door down either.
The one thing the Smith & Warner absence is highlighting is how reliant our team has been on them scoring our runs. Even when they were in the side our batting was prone to collapses when they both fell cheaply.

I really fear for long format cricket here, as I just don't see enough batting talent for that form of the game coming through.
Pucovski and Sangha have potential, but really it would be throwing them to the wolves to promote them now. Outside of those two it looks quite thin.

[Bornadog]

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A quote from Warnie after the Adelaide test:



He got it slightly wrong, Paine "only" conceded 21 byes (and I got it wrong too, 21 byes is one short of the record amount of byes conceded by an Australian wicketkeeper.)

From

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...e0523b0f7a63ec

You can't blame the keeper for bad bowling

[lemmon]

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You can't resist big change when the batting group has one century in the last 9 tests and no tons in the first three tests of an Australian summer.

I would hold off and make big changes for the Sri Lankan series - it's more fair to the players coming in - but for me, the test careers of S Marsh and Finch are done.

Mitch Marsh needs to go back to WA and be left alone for 24 months. He's become a "break glass in case of flat pitch" player and it will ruin his career. Consistency is the lifeblood of cricketers, just leave him to work out his game in the Shield.

Harris has more time but we're seeing the selectors make the same mistakes with him - asking him to learn on the job at Test level, not in the Shield. He is a very good looking player who finds ways to get out when he shouldn't. These are issues that need to be rectified at the level below - much like Handscomb and his technical issues - before a player is picked.

I don't really care what tinkering they do in Sydney. The trophy is gone. I'd save substantial change for the weaker Sri Lankan side (who are being demoralised in New Zealand) and go with:

Renshaw
Harris
Khawaja
Burns
Head
Pucovski
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood

12th: Jhye Richardson

[Happy Days]

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You can't blame the keeper for bad bowling

He's not a good enough athlete to get to the shorter bowling that Australian conditions and our current bowling line up demand, and as I type he's put another diving attempt down.

[GVGjr]

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He's not a good enough athlete to get to the shorter bowling that Australian conditions and our current bowling line up demand, and as I type he's put another diving attempt down.

I think a lot of what you are pointing out about Paine is close to the mark and if we remember back to when he was selected it was, I believe, more about that the selectors weren't convinced in Wade or Nevil than it was about Paine's brilliant form knocking the door down. I think he is a reasonable wicket keeper who isn't that athletic, frustratingly just short of the mark as a batsman but the upside that attracted the selectors to him is more around his gritty attitude and that he would be a great player to have in the dressing room. I'm not sure he has been given enough time to establish himself but has Carey or anyone else really done enough to replace him?

I also don't think we have a ready made replacement for him as the captain either.

There is a fair argument to say we need to stick with him for the time being and accept there is a few flaws.

[lemmon]

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Not to go overboard but...Cummins is our best fast bowling prospect since a young Glenn McGrath hit the scene and will finish up alongside McGrath, Lillee, Lindwall and Spofforth as our best to ever do it.

Give him the new ball.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Third Test - Australia v India, Melbourne

Finch doing slips catching practice. He's dead set shit at test level. Enough already.

[Twodogs]

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You can't blame the keeper for bad bowling

Paine is the captain. If a bowler isn't bowling the way he tells him to then you take him off, it's as simple as that. We had other bowlers.