The Vics

[GVGjr]

Bouncing back after the top order failed.

6 for 214

After a slow start Hastings (36 strike rate) is getting stuck into them and is 65. Wade is 56.

[GVGjr]

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Talked too soon. Wade gone for 59. Sherridan needs to support Hastings.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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7/241 at tea. Avoided the follow-on.

Hastings 82 no

[Rocco Jones]

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Hastings out for 84. We are 8/251, 139 runs behind NSW's 1st innings total.

I wouldn't mind us making a sporting declaration here. NSW are a fair bit off us and you would think they would be willing to take the risk of us getting the outright points, much like SA their aim should be making the final rather than finishing on top.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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No point trying to make a game out of it now. Just make sure NSW don't get 6 pts.

[Twodogs]

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No offence Gary but could you just confine yourself to updating the scores of and analysing how comfortable opposition batsmen look please mate?

[GVGjr]

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The Blues are pounding us today and Jaques made a century.
7 bowlers used and only Hastings able to keep things tight. All other bowlers going at 5 plus runs per over.

[Mantis]

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NSW declared at 3/306

Vics 1/16 needing another 369 runs to win.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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NSW declared at 3/306

Vics 1/16 needing another 369 runs to win.

3/88

Rogers 57no off 41

Mash is a dud who is totally out of his depth at 1st class level.

[Rocco Jones]

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3/88

Rogers 57no off 41

Mash is a dud who is totally out of his depth at 1st class level.

I just don't get the Mash selection. He has failed in the past when given a go and is a very defensive type. Such a conservative, uninspired decision. I would like to see Finch get a crack.

I also feel he was hung out to dry batting at three. I really would like to see White take the spot.

On Rogers, I really don't get why he doesn't get near our T20 side. The game obviously doesn't suit him but I think he has the overall quality to make up for it. He is naturally a defensive batsman but when he has demonstrated the ability to attack when he has to. His ODD record for Victoria is impressive. I think a massive error you can make with T20 is stopping treating it as a game of cricket. I would much rather Rogers over a guy who still belongs in district cricket that is closing their eyes and swinging hard.

[GVGjr]

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I just don't get the Mash selection. He has failed in the past when given a go and is a very defensive type. Such a conservative, uninspired decision. I would like to see Finch get a crack.

I also feel he was hung out to dry batting at three. I really would like to see White take the spot.

A lot of Victorians moan about how few players get selected in the Australian side and yet we play the questionable talents of Mash, the import Pattison and then recruit the likes of Denton and Wright.
We don't develop nearly enough of our own players.
Look at the side today: Rogers and Hussey from WA, Wade from Tasmania and Hastings from NSW and they would be regarded as the better players of the side.

[GVGjr]

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Hussey, White and McDonald all failed in the 2nd dig. Rogers the lone hand at the moment and he is nearing a century.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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A lot of Victorians moan about how few players get selected in the Australian side and yet we play the questionable talents of Mash, the import Pattison and then recruit the likes of Denton and Wright.
We don't develop nearly enough of our own players.
Look at the side today: Rogers and Hussey from WA, Wade from Tasmania and Hastings from NSW and they would be regarded as the better players of the side.

What's the problem with imports from other states?

I'd understand if we brought in the likes of Sobers, Richards (x 2), Botham or Imran as other states have done in the distant past, but all the guys Victoria have brought in have been eligible to play test cricket for Australia (except Pattison who is a Victorian, go figure, his brother is eligible for Australia).

If a player is not getting a go in their home state (Wade, Hastings, Arnberger) wants to come home or gets transferred for work (Denton/Wright) what's the problem?

I don't see it as any different to the Dogs drafting a kid from SA.

[GVGjr]

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What's the problem with imports from other states?

I'd understand if we brought in the likes of Sobers, Richards (x 2), Botham or Imran as other states have done in the distant past, but all the guys Victoria have brought in have been eligible to play test cricket for Australia (except Pattison who is a Victorian, go figure, his brother is eligible for Australia).

If a player is not getting a go in their home state (Wade, Hastings, Arnberger) wants to come home or gets transferred for work (Denton/Wright) what's the problem?

I don't see it as any different to the Dogs drafting a kid from SA.

If we are to bring in guys from other states make sure they can not only add value to the team but be confident that we can also take their cricket to another level.
With that in mind, I'd ask why the selectors would add the like of Denton and Wright when they were long past their best and then bitch and moan that the Australian side won't select the Victorian players?

The selection problem is not something that you and I will ever agree on because you put the state side over Australian side whilst I believe that state cricket is for developing players to perform at the National level.

I have no problems with getting guys like Wade and Hastings because their cricket will thrive with the opportunities the Bushrangers can provide them but bringing in guys like Pattison, Denton and Wright is just stifling opportunities for other players.

[mighty_west]

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I have no problems with getting guys like Wade and Hastings because their cricket will thrive with the opportunities the Bushrangers can provide them but bringing in guys like Pattison, Denton and Wright is just stifling opportunities for other players.

But if all states were to not play players such as Pattison, Denton & Wright, i guess a similar way that VFL teams need experienced players, wouldn't the younger blokes coming through be better off if the older players regarded as not good enough for Test level but clearly better then the next batch of kids not quite good enough make the overall comp a stronger comp? therefor be better in the long run for the younger blokes for development, the kids who are generally seen as good enough?

They are also playing with & against men, likewise with the 18 year old footballers, we know how much better off kids are having that season in the SANFL, playing against the men, so that transition into the big league isn't so massive, i see it being similar with state level cricket.

Andy Bichel would have been a good example a few years back, absolute gun for QLD when not in the National side, even in his twilight, and the kids good enough coming through having to play against experience like that, is so valuable imo.