Ashes - Second Test

[LostDoggy]

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Not sure why the bowlers seem to be copping all the blame. They were hardly world beaters before the start. Not doubt Johnson was poor and it was Dohertys first test. Watson needs to bowl more.

Australia was very lucky. In the bats the middle order failed again and if not for the referral system a 200 run first innings lead could have have been a deficet. Also Australia had won that toss or England bowled, I doubt we would have made 260.

[Mantis]

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Australia was very lucky. In the bats the middle order failed again and if not for the referral system a 200 run first innings lead could have have been a deficet. Also Australia had won that toss or England bowled, I doubt we would have made 260.

Our top order also didn't do the job that's required. ie. turn starts into big scores.... It's becoming a habit that needs to kicked.

[Bornadog]

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Our top order also didn't do the job that's required. ie. turn starts into big scores.... It's becoming a habit that needs to kicked.

Is Watson really an opening batsman or is he an allrounder that should play at number 6?

[chef]

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Is Watson really an opening batsman or is he an allrounder that should play at number 6?

I would love for him to be able to bat at 5 or 6 and then be able to bowl a lot more and bring in Khawaja to open.

[The Coon Dog]

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And this will help us take 20 wickets how?

We bore them to death....

I think you have misunderstood KT31, he said anyone smart enough to work out if i bowl wide outside off stump , the Poms will leave it, in other words he was advocating, don't bowl it out there, I think.

[Mantis]

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Is Watson really an opening batsman or is he an allrounder that should play at number 6?

Who knows, but at present he is probably our best option as Hughes has too mnay flaws in his game and there aren't any other openers putting any pressure on.

What is known is that Watson has been pretty successful in getting us off to a good start, but has been unable to turn good starts into big scores as witnessed by the following numbers:

Innings as an opener = 28

2 x 100's
10 x 50's
8 x 30-49

As far as what's best for the team .ie. move Watson down the order such that he can bowl more, who knows, but one thing for sure is that if we make this move it will weaken our top order which could further expose our already suspect middle order.

[KT31]

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I think you have misunderstood KT31, he said anyone smart enough to work out if i bowl wide outside off stump , the Poms will leave it, in other words he was advocating, don't bowl it out there, I think.

Correct, thank you TCD.

[Mantis]

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Correct, thank you TCD.

So on a flat deck that's offering little or no assistance you would like our bowlers to bowl where exactly?

[Throughandthrough]

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Hooray for me.

Early plans are to go all 5 days for the test.

Will miss half the Sunday with junior cricket in the morning, then back for more!

Love it.

[mighty_west]

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So on a flat deck that's offering little or no assistance you would like our bowlers to bowl where exactly?

To consistantly bowl in the right spots, no matter how the pitch plays, McGrath made an artform of doing that, which is why he was one of the best Australian bowlers of all time, which gets back to the original point i reckon KT31 made, bowling wide after wide is simply garbage, and right now, Mitch is simply not up to standard.

[ledge]

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I blame Ponting, he insists on this bowling outside off stump all the time.
What happened to bowling at the stumps and making the batsman play, Siddle got his wickets bowling at the stumps, he is a stump to stump bowler who Ponting insists everyone bowl outside off.
Then he puts in a few slips but no 3rd man still.

125 runs in the second dig came from 3rd man, the blokes as thick as bricks as a captain , the only reason he won games was due to Warne and Mc Grath being so good.

He got questioned about his field placements in the last test series with I think it was Smith who was bowling, his reply was thats what the bowler wanted! Excuse me Ricky but you are captain you have a kid bowling and you say that to the press?
Bury the kid why dont you??

Sadly this Australian selection table missed the boat 4 years ago when White should have been groomed as captain.
Clarke is not the answer and others are either too old or in and out of the side.
Hindsight no, bleeding obvious yes!

I dont blame the players they all have talent to burn but the selectors are an absolute disgrace.
A long with Pontings captaincy with which i know under 14s could captain better and certainly not hang a bowler out to dry this side needs a major overhaul in the way its run.
There had my rant !

[Throughandthrough]

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I blame Ponting, he insists on this bowling outside off stump all the time.
What happened to bowling at the stumps and making the batsman play, Siddle got his wickets bowling at the stumps, he is a stump to stump bowler who Ponting insists everyone bowl outside off.
Then he puts in a few slips but no 3rd man still.

125 runs in the second dig came from 3rd man, the blokes as thick as bricks as a captain , the only reason he won games was due to Warne and Mc Grath being so good.

He got questioned about his field placements in the last test series with I think it was Smith who was bowling, his reply was thats what the bowler wanted! Excuse me Ricky but you are captain you have a kid bowling and you say that to the press?
Bury the kid why dont you??

Sadly this Australian selection table missed the boat 4 years ago when White should have been groomed as captain.
Clarke is not the answer and others are either too old or in and out of the side.
Hindsight no, bleeding obvious yes!

I dont blame the players they all have talent to burn but the selectors are an absolute disgrace.
A long with Pontings captaincy with which i know under 14s could captain better and certainly not hang a bowler out to dry this side needs a major overhaul in the way its run.
There had my rant !

WACSY

Worst Australian Captain SInce Yallop

[Greystache]

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I blame Ponting, he insists on this bowling outside off stump all the time.
What happened to bowling at the stumps and making the batsman play, Siddle got his wickets bowling at the stumps, he is a stump to stump bowler who Ponting insists everyone bowl outside off.
Then he puts in a few slips but no 3rd man still.

125 runs in the second dig came from 3rd man, the blokes as thick as bricks as a captain , the only reason he won games was due to Warne and Mc Grath being so good.

He got questioned about his field placements in the last test series with I think it was Smith who was bowling, his reply was thats what the bowler wanted! Excuse me Ricky but you are captain you have a kid bowling and you say that to the press?
Bury the kid why dont you??

Sadly this Australian selection table missed the boat 4 years ago when White should have been groomed as captain.
Clarke is not the answer and others are either too old or in and out of the side.
Hindsight no, bleeding obvious yes!

I dont blame the players they all have talent to burn but the selectors are an absolute disgrace.
A long with Pontings captaincy with which i know under 14s could captain better and certainly not hang a bowler out to dry this side needs a major overhaul in the way its run.
There had my rant !

It was Hauritz, he's old enough to set his own fields.

Agreed though, Ponting is the worst Australian captain in living memory. I was playing cricket in England in 2005 and went to several days of that Ashes series, I said at the time Ponting is a terrible captain and we need to look for an alternative, nothing I've seen since then has changed my opinion.

[ledge]

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It was Hauritz, he's old enough to set his own fields.

Agreed though, Ponting is the worst Australian captain in living memory. I was playing cricket in England in 2005 and went to several days of that Ashes series, I said at the time Ponting is a terrible captain and we need to look for an alternative, nothing I've seen since then has changed my opinion.

He might be but the captain has last say if Ponting wasnt happy change it.
But then again we are talking about a captain who last test had a bowler getting a hattrick on fire and set his field all on the boundary!

Wasnt that Hauritz field setting too? Something suss there I think I see a common field set.

[ledge]

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In all this I would just like to say that that umpire Dar is one hell of a good umpire.
We are all quick to mention bad decisions but this bloke is amazing, he gets 99% right.
Praise is due.