8 Emerging Players

[GVGjr]

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I see the HUN had an article on a list of young players similar to this today talking up the emerging talent.

I do believe that we can become a force again in a short period of time.

[Remi Moses]

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Agree^^ We will rise. Gee impressed with Pattinson,just have to hope the young paceman stay fit.

[KT31]

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Not being able to keep up with the Shield nowadays.
IMO we really need fast a acurate solid pacemen in the Aussie side.
Does one exist or are we a fair bit off ?

[hujsh]

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Not being able to keep up with the Shield nowadays.
IMO we really need fast a acurate solid pacemen in the Aussie side.
Does one exist or are we a fair bit off ?

Stuart Clark?

Peter George may be what you're after.

[GVGjr]

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Nathan Coulter-Nile looks a good prospect. He's got great pace and can swing the ball so if he can stay healthy he might be another player to watch. 23 yo.

[LostDoggy]

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Smith and Hughes performed exactly to expectations.

... and will continue to do so. I would love to say that I'm a Nostradamus of sorts, but it doesn't take a genius to see that they aren't suddenly going to blossom into the second coming of Warne and Hayden just because they're being picked. Smith's bowling isn't going to magically mature as he gets hit for 250 runs a Test and neither of their batting is going to mature by facing 10 balls an innings before having their wickets unceremoniously uprooted. Development is all well and good but you have to have some sort of basis from which to develop -- these guys at this point in their careers are nothing more than top kids, not Test level hopefuls. It's like putting Zeph Skinner into a hopeless Richmond team and expecting him to kick a hundred and fifty goals to get them into the finals. The kid is good but he is not going to survive at that level.

If they keep getting played, I'll put any money on the prediction that they will both be damaged and forgotten goods in 24-36 months, if not sooner.

[GVGjr]

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Smith and Hughes performed exactly to expectations.

... and will continue to do so. I would love to say that I'm a Nostradamus of sorts, but it doesn't take a genius to see that they aren't suddenly going to blossom into the second coming of Warne and Hayden just because they're being picked. Smith's bowling isn't going to magically mature as he gets hit for 250 runs a Test and neither of their batting is going to mature by facing 10 balls an innings before having their wickets unceremoniously uprooted. Development is all well and good but you have to have some sort of basis from which to develop -- these guys at this point in their careers are nothing more than top kids, not Test level hopefuls. It's like putting Zeph Skinner into a hopeless Richmond team and expecting him to kick a hundred and fifty goals to get them into the finals. The kid is good but he is not going to survive at that level.

If they keep getting played, I'll put any money on the prediction that they will both be damaged and forgotten goods in 24-36 months, if not sooner.

I can't accept that we can write off talented youngsters as damaged or forgotten in 2 to 3 years time. Both have plenty of work and improvement in front of them but it's too early to put a line through them.

[comrade]

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I can't accept that we can write off talented youngsters as damaged or forgotten in 2 to 3 years time. Both have plenty of work and improvement in front of them but it's too early to put a line through them.

I agree with Lantern.

It's not about putting a line through them but the way they're being developed - given important roles they're not yet capable of in a team that lacks any fortitude or stability - which means they're more than likely going to be damaged goods very shortly. It's very hard to come back from that.

[LostDoggy]

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I agree with Lantern.

It's not about putting a line through them but the way they're being developed - given important roles they're not yet capable of in a team that lacks any fortitude or stability - which means they're more than likely going to be damaged goods very shortly. It's very hard to come back from that.

Thanks comrade for clarifying what I was saying. That's exactly my point -- if they were developed properly and were ready when picked, they may well be ten year players, but being played now is just killing their careers. Heck, picking Hughes that first time is contributing to his downfall, despite his first few centuries, because it allowed bowlers everywhere to work him out before he had a chance to work himself out and iron out the kinks in his technique. The rest of his career now is just reacting, especially now they've picked him again while he hasn't improved at all (gone backwards, if anything).

People keep referring to Warnie's premature selection, but he's a flippin' top 5 of all time legend, for heaven's sakes. Far more players have been damaged by being selected prematurely than becoming all-time legends.

[lemmon]

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I tend to agree with Lantern and Comrade here, we could let a kid come in and have 2 or 3 lean series to acclimatise during our years at the top because we knew there would be a Steve Waugh, a Glenn Mcgrath or an Adam Gilchrist to pull us out of a hole, we had such an amazing depth of talent that we could plan for the future and have these passengers whose performances werent test match defining. At the moment Smith and Hughes are thrust into key roles and are expected to perform because of the sides instability, we are expecting them to run before they have crawled. Im not sure its necessarily career ruining, the likes of Langer and Hayden spent years being in and out of the side while Martyn spent nearly a decade in the wilderness but its definitley halting progress and ruining confidence.

[dog town]

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I really like our bowling and even some of our all round prospects. Pattinson, Copeland, Starc, Faulkner, Hazlewood etc to go with some of the guys already on the scene give us plenty to work with. We need to be patient with these guys though. I still cant figure out why Peter George played in India. To me it illustrates the confusion about our direction amongst the selectors. He clearly has an enormous amount of work to do on his action and to have George, Pattinson and Starc on the tour of India to me was just ridiculous.

Pattinson- If you have seen him since he came back from injury this year he has got very strong. He has added 5-10km to his bowling in the space of 10 months. He is an enormously exciting prospect. He will get quicker and just needs to add a few tricks to his game now. Results are not really apparent yet but they will come soon in my opinion. Top 6 batsmen as a junior as well so can handle the stick.

Starc- Shouldn't be rushed in and has his injury worries but is another huge prospect. Unlike Johnson he has no real problem swinging the ball and that is a good place to start.

Copeland- His record is bordering on amazing considering the lack of talk about him. The ridiculous decision by NSW to make Stu Clark captain has cost him games. Will play for Australia.

Hazlewood- Size and bounce make him another huge prospect. Needs to get his body right.

George- His action falls away horribly. Not even close to ready yet. If he can get stronger and not fall away so much he has the raw tools to be a big weapon.

The batting is the area that worries me. We have a little bit of talent but none of it is really banging the door down. All the major scorers in the shield comp over the last few years are older type players. The encouraging thing this year I guess is that some young guys like Khawaja, Lynn and Maddinson are in the top 5 or 6 batting averages this season. I would like these guys to put big scores together consistently before they are given a go. We tried Marcus North despite him having a mediocre record at Shield level. To me playing guys who have never dominated at shield level and then asking them to come in and do even better at a higher level is ridiculous and a recipe for disaster. Khawaja coming in is the right decision. He is averaging 74 this seasons and has made them pick him. Ferguson and those type of guys need to be dominant before they come into the test cauldron.

Anyone care to have a crack at a future batting order for us? Would be interested to see where posters see certain batsmen ending up in the order.

[GVGjr]

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The batting is the area that worries me. We have a little bit of talent but none of it is really banging the door down. All the major scorers in the shield comp over the last few years are older type players. The encouraging thing this year I guess is that some young guys like Khawaja, Lynn and Maddinson are in the top 5 or 6 batting averages this season. I would like these guys to put big scores together consistently before they are given a go. We tried Marcus North despite him having a mediocre record at Shield level. To me playing guys who have never dominated at shield level and then asking them to come in and do even better at a higher level is ridiculous and a recipe for disaster. Khawaja coming in is the right decision. He is averaging 74 this seasons and has made them pick him. Ferguson and those type of guys need to be dominant before they come into the test cauldron.

Anyone care to have a crack at a future batting order for us? Would be interested to see where posters see certain batsmen ending up in the order.

I'm not that concerned about the batting if the states continue to push some of the guys up the order.

Maddison looks like an opener to me so he and Hughes might be a good combination.
Khawaja looks like he could bat anywhere from 3 to 5.
Lynn looks like a number 4 or 5.
Mitchell Marsh a number 6 moving to 5.
Smith needs to make the number 6 spot his.
Ferguson a number 4 or 5 batsman.

We also have some wicket keepers like Paine and Wade that could press for batting spots.

[dog town]

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I'm not that concerned about the batting if the states continue to push some of the guys up the order.

Maddison looks like an opener to me so he and Hughes might be a good combination.
Khawaja looks like he could bat anywhere from 3 to 5.
Lynn looks like a number 4 or 5.
Mitchell Marsh a number 6 moving to 5.
Smith needs to make the number 6 spot his.
Ferguson a number 4 or 5 batsman.

We also have some wicket keepers like Paine and Wade that could press for batting spots.

Well with Ponting, Haddin and Hussey likely to be gone in 2 or 3 years it probably only leaves Watson and hopefully Clarke if he can find his game again. I have seen some signs from Hughes in his last 3 hits that he is starting to get his head right. He will never be perfect technically but the game is littered with guys who have strange techniques. He just needs to find a way to make it work.

Maybe in a few years it will look something like

Maddinson
Hughes
Khawaja
Watson
Clarke
Ferguson/Smith
Paine

Paine will be an interesting one because he has the technical ability to open but generally selectors will turn away from burdening a keeper with that much responsibility. You also want your number 6/7 to be a counter attacker and someone who can take the game away from the opposition. Paine scores quickly in the short form but in the longer version can get bogged down. It will be interesting to watch what they do with him and Watson who I think is more of a 3 or 4 than an opener. Wade makes it quite interesting because he will play at some stage. If he and Paine both come on well enough with the bat its possible one of them a long way down the track may play as a pure batsmen. I think they are both that talented its just a matter of how they develop.

Ferguson seems a 6 to me at this stage until he tightens up a little bit. Lynn is the only one I havent seen enough of to feel comfortable with giving an opinion on. Looks very good on tv in the short form but I havent seen him live yet in a shield game.

I find Shaun Marsh interesting. One of the few guys putting the runs on the board this season. You get the feeling they have seen something in him they dont like for the longer game. He is a bit loose around off stump but you cant really argue with runs.

I guess my concern is the time its going to take these guys to mature into top line batsmen at test level. We are just a couple of years off with our planning.

[GVGjr]

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Who are the emerging players for the 2011/12 season?

Obviously Cummins is right up there and I'd add Starc and Coulter-Nile just as fast bowling options.

Heaps of young batsman to consider.

Who might stake a step forward this summer?

[lemmon]

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Joe Burns the Queensland batsmen and Marcus Harris from WA are two young openers to look out for, probably not as developed as Maddison but not far behind. My smokey is a young NSW spinner Luke Doran who has done impressive things in the U/23 comp.

The other one is Hazlewood, has been really struck by injury but has pace, bounce and seam movement, on potential I have him a fair way ahead of Starc. If we are looking for another left armer Duffields my favorite, pace, accuracy and genuinely swings the ball.