4th Test - Australia v India - Adelaide

[Remi Moses]

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Meanwhile in Abu Dhabi
Someone needs another suitcase of £ and another recruiting drive to South Africa.

[LostDoggy]

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Meanwhile in Abu Dhabi
Someone needs another suitcase of £ and another recruiting drive to South Africa.

The Pakis have always been very talented. Everytime they've won lately I think back to that Sydney test when we choose to bat on a green top. That test did more damage to Australia's future than we thought it would at the time.

[ledge]

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Meanwhile in Abu Dhabi
Someone needs another suitcase of £ and another recruiting drive to South Africa.

Playing a class test team away is a big difference to beating a crap team at home.

[GVGjr]

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Got Starc ( unlucky) Cummins and Pattinson coming through.
Couldn't possibly get a worse run in the pace injury dept.
The rejuvenation of Hilfenhaus and improvement of Siddle's been massive

Starc still has a bit to learn and he isn't the instant replacement that some might think. He has a bit of Mitchell Johnson in his bowling and needs to improve his consistency.
Cummins and Pattinson struggle with a big workload and that's why it's important to have some other quicks coming though.
I'm not 100% sold on Hilfenhaus yet despite his very good form. For a player that is supposed to be an accurate bowler he can spray them around.

Siddle was brilliant and even his batting was handy when it counted.

[Remi Moses]

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Playing a class test team away is a big difference to beating a crap team at home.

Huh?Pakistan are a class team?The number one team have been rolled for 70.
Yes Pakistan are on the improve but 145 should have been a doddle!

[Remi Moses]

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Starc still has a bit to learn and he isn't the instant replacement that some might think. He has a bit of Mitchell Johnson in his bowling and needs to improve his consistency.
Cummins and Pattinson struggle with a big workload and that's why it's important to have some other quicks coming though.
I'm not 100% sold on Hilfenhaus yet despite his very good form. For a player that is supposed to be an accurate bowler he can spray them around.

Siddle was brilliant and even his batting was handy when it counted.

I give up on here ! HonestlyHilfenhaus battled injury last season, he's picked up his pace and isn't slinging like he was.
Mate if you can't see that you're watching it blindfolded

[GVGjr]

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I give up on here ! HonestlyHilfenhaus battled injury last season, he's picked up his pace and isn't slinging like he was.
Mate if you can't see that you're watching it blindfolded

What part of 'despite his very good form' have you taken exception to? He's bounced back no doubt and he is in very good form but there were signs in the test that his control wasn't the greatest and I think it's down to the workload he has been carrying.
I'm not knocking him just making an observation on why it's important to have another quick putting pressure on the others.
You keep challenging the notion that we need to have other quicks coming through and I'm explaining why. You can huff and puff all you like but the rolleyes and the blindfold comment isn't a compelling reason for me to change my views.

[Remi Moses]

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What part of 'despite his very good form' have you taken exception to? He's bounced back no doubt and he is in very good form but there were signs in the test that his control wasn't the greatest and I think it's down to the workload he has been carrying.
I'm not knocking him just making an observation on why it's important to have another quick putting pressure on the others.
You keep challenging the notion that we need to have other quicks coming through and I'm explaining why. You can huff and puff all you like but the rolleyes and the blindfold comment isn't a compelling reason for me to change my views.

So you don't think Starc is a potential player?
I think he's already got Johnson covered.
You think we need to improve in all areas and I along with many others disagree.
Batting and wicket keeping position needs to improve.
The bowling and fielding has improved markedly, the bowlers ( planning and execution) has worked well. The whole notion before the series was the Aussies wouldn't bowl India's great batting line up out .

[GVGjr]

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So you don't think Starc is a potential player?
I think he's already got Johnson covered.

I think Starc has plenty of potential. The question is more around how he develops in the next 12 months. He needs to improve his control and if he does that he will continue to press for selection but he still has a long way to go.

You think we need to improve in all areas and I along with many others disagree.
Batting and wicket keeping position needs to improve.

Our batting is fragile and unreliable despite this series but there isn't a lot of pressure being applied by the shield cricketers. Khawaja and Maddinson look standouts to me but so many others like Ferguson have taken a step backwards. Shaun Marsh might have played himself out of test calculations for good.
Much hinges on the impact Watson makes upon his return and where they will bat him.

Haddin has passed his use-by date but the selectors haven't quite signed off on that just yet. Either Wade and Neville should be adequate replacements but have question marks against them.

The bowling and fielding has improved markedly, the bowlers ( planning and execution) has worked well. The whole notion before the series was the Aussies wouldn't bowl India's great batting line up out .

The pace bowling was good but the local pitches assisted them. I'd like to see how they perform on flatter decks before saying we are right.
The fielding has has been good but if we were to take Ponting and Hussey out of it there might be some gaps. Warner has been good and Cowan OK.

We need to find another spin bowler to support Lyon and we need to hope that Cummins and Pattinson can shake of the injuries.

Promising signs but we thrashed a side that performed poorly and clearly weren't hungry enough.
NZ and SA were hungry sides that were keen to beat us in a test and duly did when it counted.

[Remi Moses]

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I think Starc has plenty of potential. The question is more around how he develops in the next 12 months. He needs to improve his control and if he does that he will continue to press for selection but he still has a long way to go.



Our batting is fragile and unreliable despite this series but there isn't a lot of pressure being applied by the shield cricketers. Khawaja and Maddinson look standouts to me but so many others like Ferguson have taken a step backwards. Shaun Marsh might have played himself out of test calculations for good.
Much hinges on the impact Watson makes upon his return and where they will bat him.

Haddin has passed his use-by date but the selectors haven't quite signed off on that just yet. Either Wade and Neville should be adequate replacements but have question marks against them.



The pace bowling was good but the local pitches assisted them. I'd like to see how they perform on flatter decks before saying we are right.
The fielding has has been good but if we were to take Ponting and Hussey out of it there might be some gaps. Warner has been good and Cowan OK.

We need to find another spin bowler to support Lyon and we need to hope that Cummins and Pattinson can shake of the injuries.

Promising signs but we thrashed a side that performed poorly and clearly weren't hungry enough.
NZ and SA were hungry sides that were keen to beat us in a test and duly did when it counted.

The NZ result was unacceptable but let's be honest the 1 all in South Africa you would take if offered. Good fightback after the embarrassment of the 1st Test

[LostDoggy]

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I'm not 100% sold on Hilfenhaus yet despite his very good form. For a player that is supposed to be an accurate bowler he can spray them around.

Siddle was brilliant and even his batting was handy when it counted.

You can huff and puff all you like but the rolleyes and the blindfold comment isn't a compelling reason for me to change my views.

What about some stats?
Hilfenhaus 44 maidens (next best Siddle 27), Avg 17.22 (next best Stark 17.5) Econ rate 2.77 (2nd to Harris), 27wkts (Siddle 23, 3rd place Kahn has 15wkts for the series). Also had two 5 fors off the top my head?
How can a guy with (easily) the most maidens and the best economy rate from the most balls bowled for the series " spray them around"?

[GVGjr]

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What about some stats?
Hilfenhaus 44 maidens (next best Siddle 27), Avg 17.22 (next best Stark 17.5) Econ rate 2.77 (2nd to Harris), 27wkts (Siddle 23, 3rd place Kahn has 15wkts for the series). Also had two 5 fors off the top my head?
How can a guy with (easily) the most maidens and the best economy rate from the most balls bowled for the series " spray them around"?

We are talking about the 4th test and at times he wasn't threatening the stumps in the slightest. I saw a couple of spells and he bowled poorly. To be honest I think he had bowled too much in the previous tests.

Those stats don't mean much to what I saw and was commenting on.

[LostDoggy]

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We are talking about the 4th test and at times he wasn't threatening the stumps in the slightest. I saw a couple of spells and he bowled poorly. To be honest I think he had bowled too much in the previous tests.

Those stats don't mean much to what I saw and was commenting on.

Soooooo the comments I quoted:

I'm not 100% sold on Hilfenhaus yet despite his very good form. For a player that is supposed to be an accurate bowler he can spray them around.

Are only talking about the 4th test???

I was referring to the "supposed to be accurate" comment, with the Eco stats of Hilfenhaus.

[Remi Moses]

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What about some stats?
Hilfenhaus 44 maidens (next best Siddle 27), Avg 17.22 (next best Stark 17.5) Econ rate 2.77 (2nd to Harris), 27wkts (Siddle 23, 3rd place Kahn has 15wkts for the series). Also had two 5 fors off the top my head?
How can a guy with (easily) the most maidens and the best economy rate from the most balls bowled for the series " spray them around"?

I thought the same thing . He bowled a few outside off , which were left. If you bowl on off stump or middle you get taken off the pads in Adelaide. Sehwag took the long handle( then again he bats through red lights) . If Hilfenhaus stays fit he becomes a dangerous proposition in England. There's a few in that England top 6 struggling at the moment.

[GVGjr]

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Soooooo the comments I quoted:

Are only talking about the 4th test???

I was referring to the "supposed to be accurate" comment, with the Eco stats of Hilfenhaus.

You can take wickets with poor deliveries and you can bowl rubbish and have no runs hit off you. I thought a couple of spells by Hilfenhaus in the 4th test were off the mark and that is why I'm not 100% sold on him. While that might be because he bowled a lot of overs in the previous tests I'd like to see if he can be effective away from Australian tracks before making a call on him.

For what it's worth, during over the test matches this summer I was most impressed Pattinson then Siddle and then Hilfenhaus. Cummins made an impression as well.