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  • GVGjr
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    • Nov 2006
    • 44566

    Ponting 'must be sacked'

    Ponting 'must be sacked'

    I normally like to hear what Peter Roebuck has to say but this appears to be way off the mark. This is however a huge crisis for Test cricket and issue has gotten way out of hand.
    I think we were very lucky to win, I think we probably pushed things too far but calling for Pontings head is just a grab for a headline.

    Thoughts?

    RICKY Ponting must be sacked as captain of the Australian cricket team.

    If Cricket Australia cares a fig for the tattered reputation of our national team in our national sport, it will not for a moment longer tolerate the sort of arrogant and abrasive conduct seen from the captain and his senior players in the past few days. It was the ugliest performance by an Australian side for 20 years. The only surprising part of it is that the Indians have not already packed and gone home.

    That the senior players in the Australian team are oblivious to the fury they raised among many followers of the game in this country and beyond its shores merely confirms their own narrow and self-obsessed viewpoint.

    Doubtless, they were not exposed to the messages that poured in from distressed enthusiasts aghast to see the scenes of bad sportsmanship and triumphalism presented at the SCG during and after the match. Pained past players called to express their private disgust. It was a wretched and ill-mannered display and not to be endured from any side let alone an international outfit representing a proud sporting nation. Make no mistake, it is not only the reputation of these cricketers that has suffered — Australia itself has been embarrassed.

    The notion that Ponting can hereafter take the Australian team to India is preposterous. He has shown not the slightest interest in the wellbeing of the game, not the slightest sign of diplomatic skill, not a single mark of respect for his accomplished and widely admired opponents. Harbhajan Singh can be an irritating young man but he is head of a family and responsible for raising nine people. And all the Australians elders want to do is to hunt him from the game. Australian fieldsmen fire insults from the corners of their mouths, an intemperate Sikh warrior overreacts, and his rudeness is seized upon.

    In the past few days, the Australian captain has presided over a performance that dragged the game into the pits. He turned a group of professional cricketers into a pack of wild dogs. As much can be told from the conduct of his closest allies in the team. As usual, Matthew Hayden crossed himself on reaching three figures in his commanding second innings, a gesture he does not perform while wearing the colours of his state. Exactly how he combines his faith with throwing his weight around on the field has long bemused opposing sides, whose fondness for him ran out a long time ago.

    Michael Clarke had a dreadful match but he is a young man and has time to rethink his outlook. That his mind was in disarray could be told from his batting. In the first innings he offered no shot to a straight ball and in the second he remained at the crease after giving an easy catch to slip. On this evidence, Clarke cannot be promoted to the vice-captaincy of his country. It is a captain's primary task to rear his younger players and to prepare his successor for the ordeals of office.

    Nothing need be said about the catch Clarke took in the second innings except that in the circumstances, the umpires were ill-advised to take anyone's word for anything. The Indians were convinced that Ponting grounded a catch he claimed on the final afternoon at the SCG. Throughout those heated hours, the Australian captain remained hostile, kicking the ground, demanding decisions, pressuring the umpires. So much for his corporate smile over the past few years.

    Probably the worst aspect of the Australians' performance was their conduct at the end. When the last catch was taken they formed into a huddle and started jumping up and down like teenagers at a rave. It was not euphoria. It was ecstasy. They had swallowed a pill called Vengeance, among the most dangerous on the shelves. Not one player so much as thought about shaking hands with the defeated and departing. So much for Andrew Flintoff consoling a stricken opponent in his hour of defeat.

    Neither could Ponting nor Adam Gilchrist stop himself from publicly chiding Tony Greig for daring to criticise the timing of the declaration. They should have been thanking their lucky stars that three wickets fell in five balls, one of them in dubious circumstances. Australia had 150 runs and five minutes to spare. It was not fit conduct from an Australian captain or vice-captain. Ponting was rude towards Indian reporters at his media conference.

    He has not provided the leadership expected from an Australian cricket captain and must be sacked. On this evidence, the time has also come to thank Hayden and Gilchrist for their services. None of them is a bad fellow. All of them will look back on this match not as their finest hour but their worst. Obviously, a new captain and side is required. But that is a task for another day. It is possible to love a country and not its cricket team.
    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"
  • Mantis
    Hall of Fame
    • Apr 2007
    • 15403

    #2
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    Very scatheing attack and you would expect a fair bit of backlash from Cricket Australia on this matter.

    Would this article jeopardise Roebuck's position in commentating with the ABC?

    I agree with many points of this article. Ponting and co. carried on like spoilt brats. Ponting should have been reprimanded for his out signal to the umpires after Clarke's disputed catch. The umpire's have a job to do so don't try and influence there decision.

    I also am grieved with Gilchrist. He takes the moral ground by walking, but appeals excessively for the Dravid decision which blind freddy could see came off the pad. He was in the perfect position yet still tries to influence the umpire's decision by throwing the ball in the air and carrying on like a pork chop. Not good enough Adam.

    And don't get me started on Clarke. Cannot stand him.

    If this team breaks the record for longest winning streak perhaps we should put an asterix beside the number in reference to this game as we will do with the current leading wicket taker.

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 44566

      #3
      Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

      Originally posted by Mantis
      Very scatheing attack and you would expect a fair bit of backlash from Cricket Australia on this matter.

      Would this article jeopardise Roebuck's position in commentating with the ABC?
      This shouldn't be a problem for Roebuck with the ABC. He might have trouble getting interviews or comments from the players but he is after all just expressing his views.

      Originally posted by Mantis
      I agree with many points of this article. Ponting and co. carried on like spoilt brats. Ponting should have been reprimanded for his out signal to the umpires after Clarke's disputed catch. The umpire's have a job to do so don't try and influence there decision.
      I tend to agree that the Australian team went too far but to call for Pontings head is too extreme. Trust channel 9 to do a puff piece last night with Ponting to try and water everything down.

      Originally posted by Mantis
      I also am grieved with Gilchrist. He takes the moral ground by walking, but appeals excessively for the Dravid decision which blind freddy could see came off the pad. He was in the perfect position yet still tries to influence the umpire's decision by throwing the ball in the air and carrying on like a pork chop. Not good enough Adam.
      I'll cut Gilchrist some slack. He might have gone too far but I won't question his character or integrity.

      Originally posted by Mantis
      And don't get me started on Clarke. Cannot stand him.
      He has a fair bit of talent but he isn't as good as he is being portrayed. I wouldn't have him in the side and speculation that he will be the next captain doesn't thrill me in the slightest.
      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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      • Topdog
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 7471

        #4
        Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

        I've never disagreed with you so much!

        Originally posted by Mantis

        I agree with many points of this article. Ponting and co. carried on like spoilt brats. Ponting should have been reprimanded for his out signal to the umpires after Clarke's disputed catch. The umpire's have a job to do so don't try and influence there decision.
        You cannot be serious on this point. It is something that happens time and time again and has happened forever and a day. To imply that Ponting's integrity is questioned is just flat out unbelievable for me. Here is a man who never claims a false catch and him appealing is being attacked?

        I also am grieved with Gilchrist. He takes the moral ground by walking, but appeals excessively for the Dravid decision which blind freddy could see came off the pad. He was in the perfect position yet still tries to influence the umpire's decision by throwing the ball in the air and carrying on like a pork chop. Not good enough Adam.
        I can't understand this one at all. Every keeper would have appealed there and I'd love to know how someone behind the stumps was in the perfect position to see a ball coming off the pads or the bat.
        And don't get me started on Clarke. Cannot stand him.
        He stood his ground much like at least 2 Indians did in this match and 1 in the first.

        If this team breaks the record for longest winning streak perhaps we should put an asterix beside the number in reference to this game as we will do with the current leading wicket taker.
        That is a steaming pile of horseshit. This game may have been marred but it was by pathetic umpiring decisions and not by anything that the Australians did.

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        • Mantis
          Hall of Fame
          • Apr 2007
          • 15403

          #5
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          Originally posted by Topdog
          You cannot be serious on this point. It is something that happens time and time again and has happened forever and a day. To imply that Ponting's integrity is questioned is just flat out unbelievable for me. Here is a man who never claims a false catch and him appealing is being attacked?
          The umpires job is to give the batsman out NOT the fielders. I agree that Ponting never claims a false catch, but it's not his job to make the decision for the umpire even though he was in a very good position to see it.

          Originally posted by Topdog
          I can't understand this one at all. Every keeper would have appealed there and I'd love to know how someone behind the stumps was in the perfect position to see a ball coming off the pads or the bat.
          He would have seen that the gloves were along way behind his pad and that the deflection had occured well before the ball passed his bat/ glove region and to think otherwise is being naive.

          Originally posted by Topdog
          He stood his ground much like at least 2 Indians did in this match and 1 in the first.
          That's crap he knicked it to first slip and then stood around like he was being hard done by. He is the golden boy of Australian cricket and is setting a terrible example to the kids watching. There is a big difference in standing your ground if you knick it to first slip compared to the keeper too.

          Plus it was a shit shot much like the one he played or didn't play in the 1st innings.

          Originally posted by Topdog
          That is a steaming pile of horseshit. This game may have been marred but it was by pathetic umpiring decisions and not by anything that the Australians did.
          Helped by the Australian's pressurising of the umpires. I am as Australian as they come, but I am very disappointed with the way the team carried itself during this match. They have become bigger than the game itself.

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          • Sockeye Salmon
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 6365

            #6
            Re: Ponting 'must be sacked'

            I'm missing something here.

            The Indians got screwed by the umpires, no question, but how is that the Australian's fault?

            The Australian side has done nothing more than what every test playing team has done for 130 years.

            It seems Roebuck's problem was that the Australians celebrated when they won, so what?. I saw them line up to shake the Indian players hands, what's the problem?

            A few inconsistancies in the media. Ponting gets a bad call and shows his disappointment as he walks off. Tony Greig calls it a disgrace and it's in the papers. Dravid cops a bad one and shows his disappointment walking off and the commentators say "and rightly so". I have no problem with what either batsman did, I just don't see where Ponting deserved critisism.

            I assume the catch they are discussing was the one off Dhoni? No question the hand holding the ball hit the ground with the ball facing down - not out, which was correctly given - but I think that Ponting saw the ball hit the glove and was so focused on taking the catch and then anxious to see if the umpire had seen the glove that he simply hasn't realised what he had done. Remember that two days earlier he had owned up when he knew he didn't take the catch.

            With the Gilchrist one, I think he thought it was a catch. The appeal was instantaneous and full-on. The umpire was the one who should have realised he was nowhere near it, blame him.

            In Australia you have to be good - no-one likes a loser - but you can't be too good. It makes the rest of us look bad. That's why we like Pat Rafter but not Lleyton Hewitt and Craig Parry but not Greg Norman. Until you get old, then we love you again.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
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              Originally posted by Topdog
              That is a steaming pile of horseshit. This game may have been marred but it was by pathetic umpiring decisions and not by anything that the Australians did.
              Agreed.
              I had a huge argument with my family on this issue last night.

              There should be an uproar with what Kumble said about Australias not playing in the spirit of the game. The Indians are hardly squeaky clean here.

              I know the Aussies aren't angels but they are just as bad as the Indians.
              I didn't see Clarke knick to slips where he waited for the umps decision but I do know the last wicket of the game Sharma didn't walk either when he clearly gloved it to slip. I can't beleive walking out with the wrong gloves wasn't planned either.
              The excessive appealing or slowing of play was the border of gamesmanship too.

              What upsets me is that Indians stick had a chance to win the game 333 runs in 70 overs was difficult but getable in this day and age of 1day-20/20 cricket. They choose to go defensive immediately and claim they were robbed prior to the game being over.

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

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                Originally posted by Mantis
                The umpires job is to give the batsman out NOT the fielders. I agree that Ponting never claims a false catch, but it's not his job to make the decision for the umpire even though he was in a very good position to see it.
                And the umpire gave him out in this case too. If the ump asked for Ponting opinion or took it into consideration then its the umpires choice.

                Originally posted by Mantis
                Helped by the Australian's pressurising of the umpires.
                You mean like what Kumble did all first test and for 1 over straight this one?
                I remember seeing Harbajan take a hat trick in 2001 and I still think 2 were doubtful. I'm pretty sure the Indians were over appealing then and it influenced the decisions.

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                • Scorlibo
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 3084

                  #9
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                  This article is one of the worst I've seen. In reference to the Harbajhan Singh racist sledge Roebuck states,

                  "The notion that Ponting can hereafter take the Australian team to India is preposterous. He has shown not the slightest interest in the wellbeing of the game, not the slightest sign of diplomatic skill, not a single mark of respect for his accomplished and widely admired opponents. Harbhajan Singh can be an irritating young man but he is head of a family and responsible for raising nine people. And all the Australians elders want to do is to hunt him from the game. Australian fieldsmen fire insults from the corners of their mouths, an intemperate Sikh warrior overreacts, and his rudeness is seized upon."

                  Ricky Ponting has simply reported to the umpires a breach of the rules and a racist attitude shown by Singh which is not tolerated by modern society. Roebuck reckons that Ponting, in reporting such racist slander, shows no respect for Harby? What rubbish! Ponting shows no respect for racism. Roebuck now goes on to say that Singh is responsible for raising 9 people, and implies that it is Pontings fault that he will face a three match suspension because he reported Singh's racism? So Peter, you would prefer racism to be kept quiet would you? What an idiot.
                  The Aussie team probably sledges more than any other team, I'll admit that, and if Singh had made any normal sledge then the Australian team would look like a bunch of immature kids, but the fact is that it wasn't any normal sledge, it was a racist one - no, not a rude one Peter, a racist one.
                  I mean who is really carrying on like spoilt brats here? The racism sensitive Aussies or the Indians and the BCCI who are going on some sort of cricket strike because they are unhappy that racism was punished by the ICC.
                  The Aussies have also been criticised for "overappealing" in the last innings, when really it shouldn't matter how often they appeal if the umpires are on the ball. India probably received a few unlucky decisions during the match, but as Andrew Symonds said after his century making innings, it all evens out in the end, you get some lucky decisions, and you get some unlucky ones.
                  The Australian cricket team was just trying to win a test match, and the comments made by Anil Kumble at the end of the match, stating that "only one team was playing in the spirit of the game" should be dismissed promptly as being the sour remarks of a very sore loser and bad sport.

                  The thought of Ponting being sacked is the extreme of extremes and is proposterous to anyone paying attention to Ponting's team's incredible 16 match, record equalling, winning streak.
                  The Indians are the ones acting like spoilt brats here, threatening to abandon the series because they got a few questionable decisions and because Harbajhan has received punishment for his racist outburst.
                  The reason this article angers me is because many people read Roebuck's articles and this article will unfortunately influence many other's opinions and give a bad name to the Australian cricket team when really they have done nothing wrong. If anything they deserve applause for their wonderful winning streak.
                  'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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                  • Scorlibo
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3084

                    #10
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                    Originally posted by ErnieSigley
                    Agreed.
                    I had a huge argument with my family on this issue last night.

                    There should be an uproar with what Kumble said about Australias not playing in the spirit of the game. The Indians are hardly squeaky clean here.

                    I know the Aussies aren't angels but they are just as bad as the Indians.
                    I didn't see Clarke knick to slips where he waited for the umps decision but I do know the last wicket of the game Sharma didn't walk either when he clearly gloved it to slip. I can't beleive walking out with the wrong gloves wasn't planned either.
                    The excessive appealing or slowing of play was the border of gamesmanship too.

                    What upsets me is that Indians stick had a chance to win the game 333 runs in 70 overs was difficult but getable in this day and age of 1day-20/20 cricket. They choose to go defensive immediately and claim they were robbed prior to the game being over.
                    I couldn't agree with you more ES. I was also questioning the wrong gloves drama, and the game was winnable, it was India who made it unwinnable for themselves - they aimed for a draw and fell short.
                    'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15403

                      #11
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                      Originally posted by ErnieSigley

                      You mean like what Kumble did all first test and for 1 over straight this one?
                      I remember seeing Harbajan take a hat trick in 2001 and I still think 2 were doubtful. I'm pretty sure the Indians were over appealing then and it influenced the decisions.
                      I agree that the Indian's do it excessively and we get the shits when they do, but we have fallen into the same trap. We do not play our cricket this way, we never have, but we are following the Indians lead with this one.

                      Kumble and H. Singh appeal excessively and they should be told to shut up by the referee and/ or umpires.

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                      • ledge
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 14277

                        #12
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                        My thoughts on Ponting,
                        Yes he is the most arrogant captain i have witnessed, he did inherit a great team, i think he lost the ashes series in England because of his arrogance,(50% of Englands runs came from 3rd man and he still wouldnt put a fielder there all series).
                        But in saying that i think he would be the best performing captain i have ever seen as far as individual performances are concerned.
                        I also think the decision by Andrew Symonds not to walk was shocking and really did start the ball rolling in the sooking stakes.
                        If what i heard is true that both captains agreed on being in the spirit of the game at the start of the series, well Symonds should have walked, but in Pontings defence he can only tell the players, out in the middle its up to the individual and in the end Ponting has no option but to stick up for his players wrong or right.
                        Asking for him to be sacked is totally rediculous!
                        Remember writers have jobs because they are paid to be controversial.
                        Bring back the biff

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                        • Sockeye Salmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6365

                          #13
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                          I had an interesting conversation with an Indian guy who works here.

                          He said that the internal politics from within Indian cricket meant that they had to raise a fuss. If the Indian players had meekly accepted the result they would have been slaughtered by their own press and administrators.

                          By kicking up a fuss they have got the Indian media on their side - it's all those 'ugly Australians' fault.

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                          • Raw Toast
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 982

                            #14
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                            Roebuck is a friend but he tends to go a bit over the top with righteous anger and I think this is one of those occasions. It's a bit extreme to call for Ponting's head, not to mention those of Gilchrist and Hayden.

                            That said I think Ponting's behaviour for much of the test was appalling. He was very petulant when getting out in the first innings after being given a clear life by the umpires. Re the catch he claimed - he went off like a spoilt brat even when it seemed fairly clear he had it wrong. Sockeye's offered the generous interpretation of this, but as a captain his reaction was still shameful and I think requires an apology (which I think he would never give). And it's now clear, I reckon, that whenever things are tight with Ponting's team they behave horridly.

                            I'd imagine that Gilchrist would be fairly ashamed of the Dravid dismissal. He claims he doesn't appeal when he doesn't think it is out, but I don't understand how a keeper of his experience could have strongly believed Dravid nicked this one. Dravid's reaction was not as bad as Ponting's I don't think. He walked immediately and shook his head mournfully a few times (it was an awful decision), but he didn't rail against the world like Ponting does.

                            The appeal and subsequent decision left a sour taste in the three members of our house following the game, and though we all support Australia (I love the Australian cricket team), we were hoping for a draw after that.

                            Kumble's claim that only one team was playing within the spirit of the game is also a bit hysterical - he and Harbajhan do over-appeal. But it's no accident that virtually every team in the first-class cricketing world has accused the Australians of poor sportsmanship. And the umpiring decisions going v heavily in Australia's favour at home is no one off either. The team has successfully exploited poor umpiring in close to every home series this century imo.
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                            • Raw Toast
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 982

                              #15
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                              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                              With the Gilchrist one, I think he thought it was a catch. The appeal was instantaneous and full-on. The umpire was the one who should have realised he was nowhere near it, blame him.
                              I'd like to think so but it beggars belief for me. IIRC former Australian cricketing journalist Malcolm Knox (who got a bit disilluioned with the way the Australians were playing the game), wrote a novel about a fictional Australian player where the slips fielders and keeper agree in a close match that the next chance anything remotely close comes along they will all go up, with predictable results.

                              I'm not saying they spoke about it in this case, but I'm sure it's happened before. It may even have happened many times in the last 130 years, but it's not how I want to see cricket played.

                              (Interestingly for me at least, I don't care that much if the dogs win on a dodgy umpiring decision or three. Maybe if we've dominated for a decade-and-a-half I will. I guess there are fewer key decisions in cricket and justice also seems more important - spirit of the game and everything.)


                              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                              In Australia you have to be good - no-one likes a loser - but you can't be too good. It makes the rest of us look bad. That's why we like Pat Rafter but not Lleyton Hewitt and Craig Parry but not Greg Norman. Until you get old, then we love you again.
                              Good theory but it doesn't work for me I don't think. Yeah I liked Rafter and really don't like Hewitt. But it took a fair while for me to stop supporting Hewitt - I think it was after he was no longer number one. And Hewitt is the archetypal spoilt brat. Lots of older Australian tennis fans who delighted in our dominance from the post-war till the late 70s hate Hewitt.

                              Norman is a knob but I still supported him when he was playing. Warne is another knob but I loved watching him bowl and was v happy to have him on the team (steroid masking agents notwithstanding).
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