Following our exes...................

[hujsh]

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Yeah he had his chance. Some time to cool off might not be the worst thing.

[Twodogs]

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So (1) aggravated burglary (dropped), criminal damage, stalking, unlawful assault and trespassing. Plus (2) fail to answer bail, unlicensed driving and speeding. Now (3) stalking, entering a place likely to cause a breach of the peace, theft, criminal damage and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

On remand.

In serious trouble, bigly.

That's the really bad one isnt it? None of them are good but committing an offence while on bail just makes the court think you are removing the urine and abusing the system.

[merantau]

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To be fair to Campbell he did have one of the worst knee injurys in the history of the game. The medical team at Monash Medical Centre compared it to the damage a motorbike accident would cause when they bought him in.

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know that.

[bulldogtragic]

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That's the really bad one isnt it? None of them are good but committing an offence while on bail just makes the court think you are removing the urine and abusing the system.

WD would know that a bit better with the reforms, if it's worse than the others (plus the context of the others isn't known fully). But your right, it's hard to throw a credible and believable argument at the Magistrate to believe that you can be trusted to be released and know how not to commit serious criminal offences. His recent track record is not appearing on bail, then committing offences on bail and then the new commit IO whilst on two sets of bail. The argument of behalf of the victims and public in general, is that only incarceration can protect them with his intentional breaching of the courts trust. I think that argument wins outright after today's news.

[Bornadog]

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Here it is:

Patrick Veszpremi? The former pick 11 in the '07 draft returns to the @VFL as a 29yo with @PortMelbourneFC after a 6-year hiatus. And in rd 1 he'll line up against his former team Willi

[jeemak]

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Here it is:

Patrick Veszpremi? The former pick 11 in the '07 draft returns to the @VFL as a 29yo with @PortMelbourneFC after a 6-year hiatus. And in rd 1 he'll line up against his former team Willi

Happy reckons he has a massive skinny fat dad bod vibe, it will be interesting to see how he goes (Happy's view is from the other side of a Fitzroy jump, so he's pretty well informed I'd think).

Good luck Vesz, see if you can be a variant of me retiring at pretty much your age as the fattest and oldest person to ever suffer from OP!

[jeemak]

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Brian Lake is showing all of the hallmarks of a serious domestic violence offender, and he needs to be removed from society for a spell if the accusations and charges are proved true.

It's shit that it has happened to him and those involved (especially the latter), but ultimately there's a huge element of entitlement playing out that needs to be stopped completely, because the behaviour is so much more dangerous than how it's being slated within the media. If true his behaviour is disgusting.

[Testekill]

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Man, I'm sure glad that Lake wants to be remembered as a Hawk because holy shit has he gone off the rails since retirement.

[Twodogs]

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WD would know that a bit better with the reforms, if it's worse than the others (plus the context of the others isn't known fully). But your right, it's hard to throw a credible and believable argument at the Magistrate to believe that you can be trusted to be released and know how not to commit serious criminal offences. His recent track record is not appearing on bail, then committing offences on bail and then the new commit IO whilst on two sets of bail. The argument of behalf of the victims and public in general, is that only incarceration can protect them with his intentional breaching of the courts trust. I think that argument wins outright after today's news.

Cheers BT. One lesson I have learned in life is always respect what the beak says. Say what you like to the coppers (unless its on tape and even then you can talk your way out of it) but Magistrates hate it when they give you a chance and you *!*!*!*! up, it makes them look like a dickhead and they take it personally.

[westdog54]

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WD would know that a bit better with the reforms, if it's worse than the others (plus the context of the others isn't known fully). But your right, it's hard to throw a credible and believable argument at the Magistrate to believe that you can be trusted to be released and know how not to commit serious criminal offences. His recent track record is not appearing on bail, then committing offences on bail and then the new commit IO whilst on two sets of bail. The argument of behalf of the victims and public in general, is that only incarceration can protect them with his intentional breaching of the courts trust. I think that argument wins outright after today's news.

If I'm reading the original post correctly there's an indication that he's playing guilty. Best thing he can do.

In saying that, I don't see how he doesn't serve a term of imprisonment.

The commit indictable offence whilst on bail is taken fairly seriously, given you're essentially breaking a contract with the court. It is an aggravating factor when an overall sentence is decided.

Family Violence + repeat offending + same victim + whilst on bail = a bad result for Brian.

[bulldogtragic]

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If I'm reading the original post correctly there's an indication that he's playing guilty. Best thing he can do.

In saying that, I don't see how he doesn't serve a term of imprisonment.

The commit indictable offence whilst on bail is taken fairly seriously, given you're essentially breaking a contract with the court. It is an aggravating factor when an overall sentence is decided.

Family Violence + repeat offending + same victim + whilst on bail = a bad result for Brian.

We can only hope that the court makes a public example of him. A piss weak sentence would undercut the seriousness of the offending and the seriousness of the police determination (& community organisations) to rid this cancer in our society.

As an aside, I wonder why there's no intervention order in place after the first one? After the first incident, at the time an agg burg, I would've hoped that an IVO would've been sought. Maybe now?

[hujsh]

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Man, I'm sure glad that Lake wants to be remembered as a Hawk because holy shit has he gone off the rails since retirement.

Glad we won something from that trade

[The bulldog tragician]

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Brian Lake is showing all of the hallmarks of a serious domestic violence offender, and he needs to be removed from society for a spell if the accusations and charges are proved true.

It's shit that it has happened to him and those involved (especially the latter), but ultimately there's a huge element of entitlement playing out that needs to be stopped completely, because the behaviour is so much more dangerous than how it's being slated within the media. If true his behaviour is disgusting.

Jeemak, you have rightly condemned his behaviour but we should be cautious about any implication of man as victim here. The phrase in bold - in isolation and I’m sure wasn’t your intention from the words which follow - could imply the separation “happened to him” and this shitty situation tipped him over the brink. It’s equally likely the separation was because of behaviour that has now continued post separation. I work for a family violence organisation and know that far too many men feel that a woman leaving them for whatever reason that may be is so insulting that it justifies their behaviour. As you say, it indicates entitlement, it is dangerous - imagine the terror for a woman from a 6ft 4 man hulking around her house and listening into conversations - and it is disgusting. I hope the mental health card isn’t cover for self pity, anger and rage because they are vastly different things.

[jeemak]

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Jeemak, you have rightly condemned his behaviour but we should be cautious about any implication of man as victim here. The phrase in bold - in isolation and I’m sure wasn’t your intention from the words which follow - could imply the separation “happened to him” and this shitty situation tipped him over the brink. It’s equally likely the separation was because of behaviour that has now continued post separation. I work for a family violence organisation and know that far too many men feel that a woman leaving them for whatever reason that may be is so insulting that it justifies their behaviour. As you say, it indicates entitlement, it is dangerous - imagine the terror for a woman from a 6ft 4 man hulking around her house and listening into conversations - and it is disgusting. I hope the mental health card isn’t cover for self pity, anger and rage because they are vastly different things.

I appreciate exactly what you're saying, and I'm certainly not of the view Brian is any type of victim.

[Axe Man]

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Brian Lake freed after pleading guilty to assault, trespassing

Embattled footy star Brian Lake has walked free from jail after pleaded guilty to a suite of stalking, assault and trespassing offences.

The former premiership player was released from the Sunshine Magistrates’ Court this afternoon after spending two nights in custody following a violent incident at a home in Melbourne’s west this week.

The court heard the former Hawthorn star went to the woman’s house on Tuesday night after receiving a distressing text message which read: “I’m sick of this life”.

Lake tried to contact the woman, who cannot be identified, several times but his calls went unanswered.

His lawyer told Magistrate Jennifer Grubissa this interaction prompted the accused to go to the woman’s home, but conceded it was “no excuse for his behaviour” which involved stealing her phone and becoming aggressive.

Lake handed himself into police the next day but gave mostly no comment responses and made no admissions, court documents reveal.

He was charged with stalking, theft, criminal damage, breaching the peace and committing an offence while on bail.

It comes as Lake was set to plead guilty to a similar incident during which he stalked a woman before going on a wild rampage at her Aintree home in February.

On Thursday the former footballer pleaded guilty to those charges which included assault, trespassing, intentionally causing damage to a bedroom door, and stalking the victim.

The court was told Lake filmed the victim in her home and used iPad software to listen to her private conversations in the two days prior to the February 17 rampage.

Lake was on Friday convicted and slapped with an 18-month community corrections order.

Magistrate Grubissa told the fallen star if not for his lack of criminal history, she would have had no choice but to jail him.

“These are serious charges and It’s important that this reality is not lost on you,” Ms Grubissa said.

The magistrate said she had also taken into account Lake had positively engaged with behaviour programs, was the financial provider for his family and was taking steps to address his mental health issues.

The court also heard Lake was a valued employee and was supported by his boss who was present in the courtroom.

“I can see your clear appreciation that what you did was wrong and that you are remorseful,” Ms Grubissa said.

But she warned that if Lake breached the conditions of his corrections order in any way, he would be thrown back in jail, adding: you are the only one that controls that.

Lake was also ordered to complete 250 hours of community service and his licence was suspended for 21 days for driving offences dating back to March 2018.

The father of two refused to answer questions from media outside court and was quickly whisked away by a waiting ute.