Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

If had a puritanical Christian leading the club. And there were 'prayer groups' within the club. I would rebel.
And I would want to get the F#@$%* out.

I went to a Catholic boarding school in Sunbury (google if you must.....headmaster, vice principal and deputy vice principal all guilty of..............I think you know what.

If Christianity works for G. Ablett in his private life that's fine. But it seems to me he's making it a big part of the club culture.

I'm not surprised actually that it's causing negative ripples. It would make me sick if it was part of it.


Just my own angle on it.

[Greystache]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Read Sam Lane's article on the matter. Essentially the players owned up to it (2 glasses each) with Dixon suggesting he drinks wine the night before games to get to sleep and that the practise has helped him play better football.

The players fessed up after they forgot to pay their mini-bar tab at the hotel and an invoice was sent to the club.

[GVGjr]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Surely the problem isn't that they had a glass or two of wine, it's that this was an explicit rule set by the playing group after a string of issues recently? After already seeing a number of guys suspended less than a month ago and all the media attention that came of it, you'd have to be absolutely stupid to have a sniff of alcohol, even if it 'helps you sleep'. I'm no teetotaller but this is about respect for the rules laid down, respect for your club culture and respect for those team-mates that are abiding and wouldn't mind winning a game of footy. I think they've gotten away very lightly here.

Correct, The club has won just one game and have had behavioral issues with a few players. As a group they decided to have an alcohol free three weeks. Not a huge ask for players to tow the line. To me it's a sign of weakness that they couldn't follow that rule.

[lemmon]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

If had a puritanical Christian leading the club. And there were 'prayer groups' within the club. I would rebel.
And I would want to get the F#@$%* out.

I went to a Catholic boarding school in Sunbury (google if you must.....headmaster, vice principal and deputy vice principal all guilty of..............I think you know what.

If Christianity works for G. Ablett in his private life that's fine. But it seems to me he's making it a big part of the club culture.

I'm not surprised actually that it's causing negative ripples. It would make me sick if it was part of it.


Just my own angle on it.

What's this based on? I don't think I've ever seen Ablett speak about his faith publicly unless directly asked and even then he's reluctant to talk about it, nor have I ever heard him push it on other players. To each their own but surely drawing links between player's drinking and what Ablett does or doesn't believe is a huge bow.

[The Underdog]

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Have we got to that generation that lacks discipline and think they know best. Do they get their noses out of joint when they get told.
Who would want to be a coach.

Pretty sure you've just described every generation

[Twodogs]

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Pretty sure you've just described every generation

Talkin'' bout my generation.

[Happy Days]

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Have we got to that generation that lacks discipline and think they know best. Do they get their noses out of joint when they get told.
Who would want to be a coach.

Yeah! What they should have done is taken them out behind the grandstand and beat them up, like in the GOOD OLD DAYS.

And what pussies for only drinking 2 glasses; Kevin Sheedy would have insisted they at least polish the bottle.

[hujsh]

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What's this based on? I don't think I've ever seen Ablett speak about his faith publicly unless directly asked and even then he's reluctant to talk about it, nor have I ever heard him push it on other players. To each their own but surely drawing links between player's drinking and what Ablett does or doesn't believe is a huge bow.

While I've not heard of Ablett doing that I remember a few years back Snr stating that Western society had lost it's way because it believed in the 'myth' of evolution. So I can see Jnr maybe being a bit over the top.

[Twodogs]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Yeah! What they should have done is taken them out behind the grandstand and beat them up, like in the GOOD OLD DAYS.

And what pussies for only drinking 2 glasses; Kevin Sheedy would have insisted they at least polish the bottle.

Sheeds would have helped them polish it off.

[KT31]

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While I've not heard of Ablett doing that I remember a few years back Snr stating that Western society had lost it's way because it believed in the 'myth' of evolution. So I can see Jnr maybe being a bit over the top.

Was that after or before he helped a young women od ?

[westdog54]

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Pretty sure you've just described every generation

Yep, that's humanity in general. Nothing at all to do with generations.

[jeemak]

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What's this based on? I don't think I've ever seen Ablett speak about his faith publicly unless directly asked and even then he's reluctant to talk about it, nor have I ever heard him push it on other players. To each their own but surely drawing links between player's drinking and what Ablett does or doesn't believe is a huge bow.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-ablett-posts-photo-of-pre-match-prayer-on-social-media/story-fn6pe9hv-1226646971285

It might be a bit of a stretch to suggest he's pushing it on to the broader playing group, but it's not something he's shy about.

[Sedat]

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Gold Coast seems to be one giant black hole for any sporting organisations in any national code. It's as though there are fantastic beaches, magnificent golf courses and beautiful weather to take your focus away from sport on weekends...

[jeemak]

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The players fessed up after they forgot to pay their mini-bar tab at the hotel and an invoice was sent to the club.

Such buffoonery.

I would have thought Dixon would be better off meditating and mastering relaxation techniques rather than relying on two glasses of wine to get to sleep, as eventually two will turn into four, four will turn into six and so on..........

As for the club culture, there is no such thing and it's up to the club leaders to form a healthy one over time. With leaders like Carmichael Hunt and Campbell (king-hit-dickhead) Brown running around for them they were always behind the eight ball.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

What's this based on? I don't think I've ever seen Ablett speak about his faith publicly unless directly asked and even then he's reluctant to talk about it, nor have I ever heard him push it on other players. To each their own but surely drawing links between player's drinking and what Ablett does or doesn't believe is a huge bow.

Fair enough, I fired this off without any supporting evidence. Suffice to say, I can have a hair trigger on this stuff,
but just quickly..............

This quote.

Off to a side Gary Ablett, Zac Smith and Aaron Hall drape arms over each others shoulders. They invite anyone else in – players, coaches – to join them and often at least several more gather in the huddle. They bow their heads and pray. They recite a biblical quote and ask for strength for the game ahead before they run out to play.

from this article.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afls-growing-band-of-religious-players-20140523-zrl54.html

That alone doesn't seem like much but I'm sure I've heard, read other articles which state Gaz's christianity is a pretty big part of his interaction with the team. I'm in a bit of a rush so can't dig much further now..
Anyway, I'm just saying it would creep ME out if I was in the team.........whether it would make me drink the night before a match is a different thing I guess but maybe there's a subconscious rebellious reaction to all this bible business.

Sport and government should both be strictly secular