Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

[Sedat]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

As for the club culture, there is no such thing and it's up to the club leaders to form a healthy one over time. With leaders like Carmichael Hunt and Campbell (king-hit-dickhead) Brown running around for them they were always behind the eight ball.

The great irony of yesterday is that this moron blasted Dixon and Martin on Twitter for their lack of discipline. Pots, kettles and all that...

[jeemak]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

The great irony of yesterday is that this moron blasted Dixon and Martin on Twitter for their lack of discipline. Pots, kettles and all that...

If you want an example of how and why AFL blokey-bloke culture is so ridiculous, you only need to point out that people within the industry think Campbell Brown is a good guy that should be on TV.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Gold Coast seems to be one giant black hole for any sporting organisations in any national code. It's as though there are fantastic beaches, magnificent golf courses and beautiful weather to take your focus away from sport on weekends...

Sounds like a horrible place, no wonder they have turned to the drink!

[Sedat]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

If you want an example of how and why AFL blokey-bloke culture is so ridiculous, you only need to point out that people within the industry think Campbell Brown is a good guy that should be on TV.

Campbell Brown, the foremost authority on discipline and not getting on the piss:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gold-coast-players-campbell-brown-and-maverick-weller-detained-by-police-in-thailand/story-e6freoof-1226137368985

[Remi Moses]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Apparently it was out of control for a while now .
Good luck with getting another gig in the footy industry Guy McKenna.
This issues resonates for every generation, but the issue now is it isn't acceptable in a professional environment .

[Mantis]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Apparently it was out of control for a while now .
Good luck with getting another gig in the footy industry Guy McKenna.
This issues resonates for every generation, but the issue now is it isn't acceptable in a professional environment .

He already has one, well sort of (footy media).. His good mate made certain of this.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

So hard done by or did the club need to make a stand?

In isolation it would appear harsh, but in the context of the edict the players took upon themselves to propose and agree to it is a necessary outcome.
The playing group clearly set a no drinking policy for a 3 week period, as a gesture to try and set a baseline for professionalism. Given their shocking performance on and off the field it seems the group needed to institute some semblance of rules. Dixon and Martin chose to walk away from that and if they weren't punished it would make it even harder to instil any positive standards going forward.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

He already has one, well sort of (footy media).. His good mate made certain of this.

In the coaching spectrum he is.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

So hard done by or did the club need to make a stand?

If the players have agreed, taken an oath, whatever the form of the no-drinking resolution was, the terms are clear. I would think anything other than following through creates more issues.

If certain players did not agree with the resolution, they should have voiced that prior to or during its inception and sought to negotiate terms they were comfortable with.

[jeemak]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

If the players have agreed, taken an oath, whatever the form of the no-drinking resolution was, the terms are clear. I would think anything other than following through creates more issues.

If certain players did not agree with the resolution, they should have voiced that prior to or during its inception and sought to negotiate terms they were comfortable with.

From the outside looking in it's easy to suggest that a mandate was reached for the leadership group to set policy and penalty at their discretion. But what happens when the leadership is well out of touch with the rest of the playing group?

I'm not excusing the behaviour, but after multiple incidents I wonder how effective anything the leadership group is trying to implement is, and why it's so hard.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

From the outside looking in it's easy to suggest that a mandate was reached for the leadership group to set policy and penalty at their discretion. But what happens when the leadership is well out of touch with the rest of the playing group?

I'm not excusing the behaviour, but after multiple incidents I wonder how effective anything the leadership group is trying to implement is, and why it's so hard.

Surely there is consultation and buy in from those outside the leadership group? If not, maybe that's the issue.

[Twodogs]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

From the outside looking in it's easy to suggest that a mandate was reached for the leadership group to set policy and penalty at their discretion. But what happens when the leadership is well out of touch with the rest of the playing group?

I'm not excusing the behaviour, but after multiple incidents I wonder how effective anything the leadership group is trying to implement is, and why it's so hard.

Surely there is consultation and buy in from those outside the leadership group? If not, maybe that's the issue.

It's a good point. On the face of it, it shouldn't be that difficult.

[Bornadog]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Wayne Carey's take on it

No drinking before games? Football has become a nanny state

[Happy Days]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Wayne Carey's take on it

No drinking before games? Football has become a nanny state

Carey is a big fan of glasses of wine; not the wine itself, just the glasses.

[Ozza]

Re: Charlie Dixon and Jack Martin

Carey's article is spot on in my opinion.

Particularly the parts about clubs setting widespread drinking bans (or similar) that just sets up players to fail.

Fair enough GCS don't want their players to be out on Cavel Avenue until all hours getting into trouble, but going too far (as a leadership or coaching group) the other way and deciding to ban the players from drinking or going out - just creates a resentful player group on the whole.