2025 All Australian Team

[Rusty12]

He really is having a great season. Doubt he gets recognised for it though - probably ends up Dempsey and McCluggage at this stage

Yep, and of those 2, Dempsey is a high half forward in reality, and McCluggage is more inside mid, with enough wing.

[mjp]

Backs:
Taylor - Moore - Wilkie - Ash - Sinclair - Dale - (Wanganeen-Milera)

Outside:
Smith - McCluggage

Inside:
Richards - Brayshaw - Anderson (Libba - Butters)

Ruck:
Xerri

Forwards:
Thilthorpe - Hogan - Humphrey - Warner - Long - Higgins (Bailey)

I feel my thumbs up emojii is insufficient recognition of an awesome post but I don't really have much to say...

Keep going!!!

[JackCJohnston2000]

FB - Ash Taylor Rozee
HB - Dale Wilkie Sinclair
C - Dempsey Serong Smith
HF - Curtis J. Cameron Long
FF - Higgins Hogan King
Foll - Gawn Libba Richards
INT - West Anderson Bont Green

[Axe Man]

Yep, and of those 2, Dempsey is a high half forward in reality, and McCluggage is more inside mid, with enough wing.

Why is that? He's played 92% in the midfield this season according to Champion Data.

[Rusty12]

Starts mid, and pushes forward at every opportunity, whilst another forward pushes back into wing and defence.
it is musical chairs, and they all end up playing high mid%, whilst performing a forward and back role at the same time.
Many half-forwards technically play 90% mid to.

[Rusty12]

FB - Ash Taylor Rozee
HB - Dale Wilkie Sinclair
C - Dempsey Serong Smith
HF - Curtis J. Cameron Long
FF - Higgins Hogan King
Foll - Gawn Libba Richards
INT - West Anderson Bont Green

Don't Mind it, other than.

I think you are way off with Serong.
Thilthrope over King me, everytime.
Curtis will fall out for mins game played, and Bont has not played enough, but no issue with the players based on form..

[Mantis]

FB - Ash Taylor Rozee
HB - Dale Wilkie Sinclair
C - Dempsey Serong Smith
HF - Curtis J. Cameron Long
FF - Higgins Hogan King
Foll - Gawn Libba Richards
INT - West Anderson Bont Green

The bias runs strong!

Only squeezed in 5 from the Dogs, but none from the premiership favourites… yeah, nah.

Quite a few stat padders from shit teams in there too.

[JackCJohnston2000]

The bias runs strong!

Only squeezed in 5 from the Dogs, but none from the premiership favourites… yeah, nah.

Quite a few start padders from shit teams in there too.

Collingwood are the best team in it but I don't think they have a player that is having a significantly better year than any of the Dogs I've picked. Maybe Elliott for West but I think West has had a more impressive all around impact with only a slightly lower tally in goals.

[Axe Man]

Starts mid, and pushes forward at every opportunity, whilst another forward pushes back into wing and defence.
it is musical chairs, and they all end up playing high mid%, whilst performing a forward and back role at the same time.
Many half-forwards technically play 90% mid to.

I've got no idea how Champion Data determine where somebody is playing at any given time but if the above happens how you describe then it seems like a major failing in their data to me.

[Mantis]

Collingwood are the best team in it but I don't think they have a player that is having a significantly better year than any of the Dogs I've picked. Maybe Elliott for West but I think West has had a more impressive all around impact with only a slightly lower tally in goals.

What would this be based on? When you compare their stats it's pretty much even, but 23 goals to 18 does give the edge to Elliott.

I'd have Howe and probably Moore in the team as a starting point... I feel have 4 accumulators in Ash, Rozee, Sinclair & Dale in the team is far too many, and would prefer to reward at least a couple of players who have a defend first/ intercept mentality.

Anyway, I'll give it a crack during our bye week, and you can pick the shit out of my efforts.

[JackCJohnston2000]

What would this be based on? When you compare their stats it's pretty much even, but 23 goals to 18 does give the edge to Elliott.

I'd have Howe and probably Moore in the team as a starting point... I feel have 4 accumulators in Ash, Rozee, Sinclair & Dale in the team is far too many, and would prefer to reward at least a couple of players who have a defend first/ intercept mentality.

Anyway, I'll give it a crack during our bye week, and you can pick the shit out of my efforts.

West v Elliott in averaged stats that matter for a small forward IMO:

-0.83 rating
+1.1 disposals
+1.8 contested possessions
+1.7 F50 ground ball gets
+1.3 tackles
+0.3 tackles i50
-0.2 pressure acts
-5 total goals
Equal goal assists
+0.2 score involvements

Seems to me like a coin flip depending on what you value. So I don't think it's a bad call to have Elliott over West, I just don't think it's a bad call to have West over Elliott either. At least for now.

[mjp]

West v Elliott in averaged stats that matter for a small forward IMO:

-0.83 rating
+1.1 disposals
+1.8 contested possessions
+1.7 F50 ground ball gets
+1.3 tackles
+0.3 tackles i50
-0.2 pressure acts
-5 total goals
Equal goal assists
+0.2 score involvements

Seems to me like a coin flip depending on what you value. So I don't think it's a bad call to have Elliott over West, I just don't think it's a bad call to have West over Elliott either. At least for now.

That's all fair.

I did watch Elliot basically play out of the square as Collingwood's only forward against Freo a couple of weeks back and kick, like - 7? On a night where his side were something like Minus 30 for inside 50 opportnuties - they got like 30 for the game - he kicked (I think) 7.

I know that's one game but geez - winning a game off your own boot with limited opportunities when your team needs you most was pretty impressive.

[Mantis]

West v Elliott in averaged stats that matter for a small forward IMO:

-0.83 rating
+1.1 disposals
+1.8 contested possessions
+1.7 F50 ground ball gets
+1.3 tackles
+0.3 tackles i50
-0.2 pressure acts
-5 total goals
Equal goal assists
+0.2 score involvements

Seems to me like a coin flip depending on what you value. So I don't think it's a bad call to have Elliott over West, I just don't think it's a bad call to have West over Elliott either. At least for now.

I love how you purposedly exclude the stat lines where Elliot has an advantage, but I guess that they aren't the important ones, IYHO.

And yes, it's a closely run decision at present... after a slow start to the season West's last 5-6 games have been really positive, and a big factor in our improved W-L record, so if it continues, I can see him staking a claim for a spot in the AA team.

[JackCJohnston2000]

I love how you purposedly exclude the stat lines where Elliot has an advantage, but I guess that they aren't the important ones, IYHO.

And yes, it's a closely run decision at present... after a slow start to the season West's last 5-6 games have been really positive, and a big factor in our improved W-L record, so if it continues, I can see him staking a claim for a spot in the AA team.

Umm... don't know what you're reading but I listed 4 out of 10 stats where West doesn't have an advantage lol What other stats should I have listed that are important for a small forward?

[Mantis]

Umm... don't know what you're reading but I listed 4 out of 10 stats where West doesn't have an advantage lol What other stats should I have listed that are important for a small forward?

You did, but marks, especially inside 50 are very important and Elliot has an advantage here.

Anyway, I agree that it's a line ball call at present but would think most non-Bulldog supporters would have Elliott holding the spot, but West is closing fast... let's see how it plays out.