New rules likely to be trialled this season

[Scraggers]

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Fremantle Football Club have come out and said they will have no part of an in-season trial of these rules. LINK

We should be doing the same !!

[chef]

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We should be next. Stand up to the morons.

[mjp]

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There are existing rules that, if actually used properly, will do exactly what is required to improved the aesthetic of the game. A couple of simple things like elimination of prior opp and quick ball-ups/thrown-ins will automatically result in less congestion and coaches will then structure up organically with players positioned ahead of the ball without needing something contrived like 6-6-6. And we need to eliminate interpretation in our rules as much as possible.

Coaches are incredibly smart and will come up with measures to counter any new rules - we'll be back to square one.

But...this is just an opinion. Saying that elimination of prior opportunity will fix congestion is as much of an arse-pluck as any commentary about whether 6.6.6 will make a difference is...

Coaches might be incredibly smart (though I am not so sure this means there are many/any true innovators) but a rule like 6.6.6 - whether you think it will work or not - makes it more of a players game and less of a coaches game...

Preventing them from moving players around like chess pieces, playing extra numbers deep inside d50 etc and forcing 1-on-1 contests following a CBD doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me. And who does it hurt? How does doing this change the 'fabric' of the game? Eliminating prior opportunity will probably lead to players refusing to take possession of the footy inside a contest because they will be penalised for holding the ball...and whilst you say COACHES are smart, I think it is actually PLAYERS who are smart...and the smartest of them will quickly adapt the new rules to their advantage...meanwhile, the rest of us will be screaming at them for 'tapping' at the ball instead of grabbing it...

This is complicated and they need to run some trials. It can't be done in pre-season which the clubs treat as a joke. It can't be done at State level because state footy is a completely different SPORT to AFL footy...it has to be done in the AFL. And however small the sample is (3-games for example) it will be better than NO games. And I saw the link about Freo saying they will have no part of the trials? Ross Lyon has been ruining the game for 10 years and now he is saying he wont help trial any changes? Honestly wish they would just shut up and play...they play in the AFL, not the FreoFL...assisting in creating a better product should be something that they WANT to do.

[Doc26]

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Lucky they made Dean Bailey's life a misery before the poor poor bastard died of cancer a sacrificial lamb on the basis of every game being super important.

What a pack of duplicitous pricks the AFL are.

From memory it was more Chris Connelly who took the brunt of the AFL's punishment for the 'tanking' probe and findings at Melbourne although Bailey was no doubt implicated to a lesser extent.

With priority picks no longer assessed based on games won i.e. <4 in a season, and the AFL stating that they wouldn't trial a game in season if it could effect draft positions it is no doubt a different scenario to that back in '09 but it doesn't sit at all well from an overall 'integrity' aspect to have premiership matches played in the same round but under different rules

[Bornadog]

Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

Fremantle Football Club have come out and said they will have no part of an in-season trial of these rules. LINK


We should be doing the same !!

Carlton have said the same

[Bornadog]

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But...this is just an opinion. Saying that elimination of prior opportunity will fix congestion is as much of an arse-pluck as any commentary about whether 6.6.6 will make a difference is...

Coaches might be incredibly smart (though I am not so sure this means there are many/any true innovators) but a rule like 6.6.6 - whether you think it will work or not - makes it more of a players game and less of a coaches game...

Preventing them from moving players around like chess pieces, playing extra numbers deep inside d50 etc and forcing 1-on-1 contests following a CBD doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me. And who does it hurt? How does doing this change the 'fabric' of the game? Eliminating prior opportunity will probably lead to players refusing to take possession of the footy inside a contest because they will be penalised for holding the ball...and whilst you say COACHES are smart, I think it is actually PLAYERS who are smart...and the smartest of them will quickly adapt the new rules to their advantage...meanwhile, the rest of us will be screaming at them for 'tapping' at the ball instead of grabbing it...

This is complicated and they need to run some trials. It can't be done in pre-season which the clubs treat as a joke. It can't be done at State level because state footy is a completely different SPORT to AFL footy...it has to be done in the AFL. And however small the sample is (3-games for example) it will be better than NO games. And I saw the link about Freo saying they will have no part of the trials? Ross Lyon has been ruining the game for 10 years and now he is saying he wont help trial any changes? Honestly wish they would just shut up and play...they play in the AFL, not the FreoFL...assisting in creating a better product should be something that they WANT to do.

But how will 6.6.6 stop congestion? The 6.6.6 formation is only at start of quarters and after goals. In other words for what 20 seconds at a time (or less), and then players are free to still apply forward pressure, or get numbers around the ball.

I can't see what they are trying to achieve?

[Twodogs]

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So as soon as the ball is bounced players can go where they like? At first I was dead against it but now I'm in the "why not" category, I don't think I will ever get to "hell yeah!" stage. If it's just at centre bounces I don't see how it would interfere significantly with the fabric of the game and maybe it will make thecgame a better spectacle?

We are still going to have waves of players arriving at centre bounces though. The players will just run in from the 50, at most grounds the top of the arc of the 50 is only a few metres from the centre square anyway.

[Bornadog]

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So as soon as the ball is bounced players can go where they like? At first I was dead against it but now I'm in the "why not" category, I don't think I will ever get to "hell yeah!" stage. If it's just at centre bounces I don't see how it would interfere significantly with the fabric of the game and maybe it will make thecgame a better spectacle?

We are still going to have waves of players arriving at centre bounces though. The players will just run in from the 50, at most grounds the top of the arc of the 50 is only a few metres from the centre square anyway.

why the hell make the game even more hard to umpire. How does it fix congestion throughout a game

[mjp]

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why the hell make the game even more hard to umpire. How does it fix congestion throughout a game

1. How is that hard to umpire?
2. The reset after a goal will help but you are right, this doesn’t go far enough!

[mjp]

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But how will 6.6.6 stop congestion? The 6.6.6 formation is only at start of quarters and after goals. In other words for what 20 seconds at a time (or less), and then players are free to still apply forward pressure, or get numbers around the ball.

I can't see what they are trying to achieve?

A stoppage exit from cbd gets kicked to even numbers...stops the continuous sticking extra blokes behind the ball stuff...if a winger has to ‘work back’ to become the extra, then they still have to push in to get there...it will create more space.

I just don’t see how this isn’t a good idea.

[Bornadog]

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1. How is that hard to umpire?

Not hard, just another layer of rules the umpires have to watch out for. My mate use to be an umpire in the 80s and the rule book was paper thin, have a look at it now.

[Bornadog]

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A stoppage exit from cbd gets kicked to even numbers...stops the continuous sticking extra blokes behind the ball stuff...if a winger has to ‘work back’ to become the extra, then they still have to push in to get there...it will create more space.

I just don’t see how this isn’t a good idea.

For 1 minute till players flood back.

You will never stop the forward press that sees 36 players in half of the ground, unless you have radical zones like all backs stay back and all forwards stay forward. Even if you insist 6 players each stay back, still have 24 players in forward 50.

Unless coaching tactics change dramatically, we have to live with it.

[GVGjr]

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I get what MJP is saying that it's the best time to trial it but I'm against rules being changes once the season starts in fact I'm against it once the trade period starts. I suggest that the AFL should hand all teams notice now that if you happen to be in the bottom 6 clubs on the ladder come round 18 in 2019 then these are the rules you will play with for the balance of the season. This gives team sufficient notice to plan and train for it. Participating clubs and their fans should also be compensated for it. Clubs should be incentivized if they win games over and above the 4 premiership points

If the AFL need to make a change of this magnitude then they should pay the unwilling participants in some manner.

[azabob]

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But how will 6.6.6 stop congestion? The 6.6.6 formation is only at start of quarters and after goals. In other words for what 20 seconds at a time (or less), and then players are free to still apply forward pressure, or get numbers around the ball.

I can't see what they are trying to achieve?

My understanding is the centre 6, 2 can actually stand anywhere on the square, wing, forward or back.

[Twodogs]

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I get what MJP is saying that it's the best time to trial it but I'm against rules being changes once the season starts in fact I'm against it once the trade period starts. I suggest that the AFL should hand all teams notice now that if you happen to be in the bottom 6 clubs on the ladder come round 18 in 2019 then these are the rules you will play with for the balance of the season. This gives team sufficient notice to plan and train for it. Participating clubs and their fans should also be compensated for it. Clubs should be incentivized if they win games over and above the 4 premiership points

If the AFL need to make a change of this magnitude then they should pay the unwilling participants in some manner.

Yeah, I think we could organise something like too. What sort of recompense would you be thinking? Rather than a reward for each game why not make the make the bottom four teams a seperate competition for the last four weeks (if we are going radical...) trial the rules and all that and the team that wins that competition gets a start of second round pick? A sort of anti-tanking measure that breathes a bit of life back into the season for the straglers.