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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 67308

    #16
    Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

    Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
    How much time do they get?
    Sorry, I am not sure on that.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6686

      #17
      Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

      Gerard Whateley discussed this at length on talkback this morning after Gil's appearance and the discussion was fascinating to listen to. Even though I disagree with his views on this (he was a supporter of an in - season trial) he is a breath of fresh air on the airwaves.

      There is far more to worry about than the eight. There is draft order for the clubs involved, the clubs around them, traded future picks are affected. Brownlow votes may be affected.

      Luke Beveridge is on record as saying that he is concerned about rule changes. I can see him resting players if one of our games is used for one these trials.

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27664

        #18
        Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

        Originally posted by westdog54
        Gerard Whateley discussed this at length on talkback this morning after Gil's appearance and the discussion was fascinating to listen to. Even though I disagree with his views on this (he was a supporter of an in - season trial) he is a breath of fresh air on the airwaves.

        There is far more to worry about than the eight. There is draft order for the clubs involved, the clubs around them, traded future picks are affected. Brownlow votes may be affected.

        Luke Beveridge is on record as saying that he is concerned about rule changes. I can see him resting players if one of our games is used for one these trials.
        We'll be lucky to have 22 fit players left by then anyway the way things are going.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • Sedat
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2007
          • 11451

          #19
          Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

          It's seriously time for Gilligan, Hocking and the rest of the office of the executive to be sacked and replaced by competent individuals. The clubs need to join forces and initiate this revolution, because sure as shit the entire AFL meedya are in their pocket.and won't speak ill of their masters.
          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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          • jeemak
            Bulldog Legend
            • Oct 2010
            • 22011

            #20
            Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

            Originally posted by The Pie Man
            Absolute peanuts - what happened to all games matter?

            Not sure I can keep following this sport like I have
            Lucky they made Dean Bailey's life a misery before the poor poor bastard died of cancer a sacrificial lamb on the basis of every game being super important.

            What a pack of duplicitous pricks the AFL are.
            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67308

              #21
              Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

              Originally posted by Sedat
              It's seriously time for Gilligan, Hocking and the rest of the office of the executive to be sacked and replaced by competent individuals. The clubs need to join forces and initiate this revolution, because sure as shit the entire AFL meedya are in their pocket.and won't speak ill of their masters.
              THis 1000 times
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              • Rocket Science
                Coaching Staff
                • Oct 2007
                • 4866

                #22
                Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                Oh well, forget pacy mids, we're clearly going to have to target more jugglers and trapeze artists in the next draft. Let the trials begin!



                The game's being held hostage by autocratic vandals.
                BORDERLINE FLYING

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                • mjp
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 7444

                  #23
                  Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                  Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                  What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                  • Happy Days
                    Hall of Fame
                    • May 2008
                    • 10204

                    #24
                    Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                    Originally posted by mjp
                    Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                    Why would you though? Does the compromise to the competition actually bring about any benefit that waiting until next pre-season wouldn't?
                    - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11451

                      #25
                      Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                      There are existing rules that, if actually used properly, will do exactly what is required to improved the aesthetic of the game. A couple of simple things like elimination of prior opp and quick ball-ups/thrown-ins will automatically result in less congestion and coaches will then structure up organically with players positioned ahead of the ball without needing something contrived like 6-6-6. And we need to eliminate interpretation in our rules as much as possible.

                      Coaches are incredibly smart and will come up with measures to counter any new rules - we'll be back to square one.
                      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                      • bulldogsthru&thru
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • May 2011
                        • 7912

                        #26
                        Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                        I get the feeling a rogue league may not be too far away the way things are going....

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 67308

                          #27
                          Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                          Originally posted by mjp
                          Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                          Do you think the 6.6.6. will do anything to enhance the game? I am struggling to see what this extra layer of complicating the game will achieve,
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Topdog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7471

                            #28
                            Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                            Originally posted by mjp
                            Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                            The caps you have used is exactly the problem. It absolutely shouldn't be for next year as they wont have enough time to properly validate if these changes will work and if there will be follow on impacts from the rule changes.

                            Also announcing it in season and 2 weeks before just randomly adding it in is extremely poor change management.

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 22011

                              #29
                              Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                              Originally posted by mjp
                              Why wouldn’t you trial the rules as long as it doesn’t compromise finals? The draw (amongst a million other things) already has a huge impact on things like draft order Brownlow votes etc that a 3-match trial of some rules being proposed for NEXT year seems like a minor bump in the road.
                              If there was a genuine safety element then I would think a change of rules mid season is warranted, though every team starts and plans for a particular season knowing or pretending to know, what the rules are. Changing rules mid way through or at the end of the season fundamentally alters the integrity of the game.

                              That the AFEL is actually thinking of doing this is a testament to how poorly they are managed, and how little respect they have for the integrity of the competition. They have no strategic direction, or ability to execute whichever strategic direction they have without it becoming a calamity. Every indicator suggests that they are managing poorly through their intervention, and they counter this by intervening more regularly and more drastically. This is an extremely unprofessional and incompetent response.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • Doc26
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 3087

                                #30
                                Re: New rules likely to be trialled this season

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                Do you think the 6.6.6. will do anything to enhance the game? I am struggling to see what this extra layer of complicating the game will achieve,
                                As you say it might help fix congestion in the forward half for 5 seconds until more defensive forwards push back.

                                The game is far more mired with congestion with around the ground stoppages. This is where the focus of any change should be centered. Not quite sure how but consider re-introducing more randomness to each stoppage e.g bring back 3rd man up, remove the silly ruck nomination, essence must be on a quick ball up rather than a full umpire reset. Then to address the more complicated piece and most significant piece of how to reward the player genuinely trying to exit the ball from the stoppage rather than rewarding the opponents immediately trying to jump all over them to inhibit its release.

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