St Kilda

[ledge]

Re: St Kilda

I give you the Saints 2009 Grand Final team.

Nick Riewoldt. Pick #1
Brendon Goddard. Pick #1
Michael Gardiner. Pick #1
Luke Ball. Pick #2
Justin Koschitzke. Pick #2
Farren Ray. Pick #4
Raphael Clark. Pick #8
Lenny Hayes. Pick #11
Nick Dal Santo. Pick #13

Almost a quarter of their team was taken at either Pick #1 or Pick #2. An embrassment of riches and they still could not get the job done.

They were all good players too, let’s face it, it was one bad bounce that lost it.
They should have been in more grand finals with that lot though.
I would put it down to a too defensive game plan. Nothing to do with father/ son or academy picks.

[Sedat]

Re: St Kilda

I give you the Saints 2009 Grand Final team.

Nick Riewoldt. Pick #1
Brendon Goddard. Pick #1
Michael Gardiner. Pick #1
Luke Ball. Pick #2
Justin Koschitzke. Pick #2
Farren Ray. Pick #4
Raphael Clark. Pick #8
Lenny Hayes. Pick #11
Nick Dal Santo. Pick #13

Almost a quarter of their team was taken at either Pick #1 or Pick #2. An embrassment of riches and they still could not get the job done.

In addition to St Kilda, from 2008-2010 all of Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood had generational teams - what Rocket and our players did to get so close to these teams in that 3-year stretch was nothing short of amazing IMO. I'd like to see how St Kilda would have fared with Will Minson (2008) and Scott Welsh (2009) as their key forward instead of Floppy Roo.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: St Kilda

I think the AFL would prefer I only one of the Saints, North or Dogs existed.

I don't think they care too much about the Dees too.

I think they want the four to exist as add TV revenue, filling Marvel games up and taking crappy time slots. Also would be bad PR to kill them off. I think they want them to exist but accept that they won't be as equal as others in their equal comp.

[ledge]

Re: St Kilda

How is F/son in anyway different to you if your a big or small club?

[Sedat]

Re: St Kilda

I don't think they care too much about the Dees too.

I think they want the four to exist as add TV revenue, filling Marvel games up and taking crappy time slots. Also would be bad PR to kill them off. I think they want them to exist but accept that they won't be as equal as others in their equal comp.

100% this. Dogs, Demons, Kangas and Saints are seat-fillers for the AFEL and allow them to secure fat TV rights contracts for the additional content, as well as help fulfil stadium contractual obligations. That is why the media go harder on these clubs than the "big" Vic clubs because they can afford to without any major blowback.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: St Kilda

How is F/son in anyway different to you if your a big or small club?

Zero difference as the Bulldogs have shown.

The bigger issue for me is the inequality created with free agency and players having more power to move clubs and this narrative that you are better off playing at a bigger club on a bigger stage. That is hurting the Saints, North and Dogs of the AFL more than the draft concessions. By a long way too.

[Bullies]

Re: St Kilda

Zero difference as the Bulldogs have shown.

The bigger issue for me is the inequality created with free agency and players having more power to move clubs and this narrative that you are better off playing at a bigger club on a bigger stage. That is hurting the Saints, North and Dogs of the AFL more than the draft concessions. By a long way too.

Agree, a mate helps with recruiting for one of the "big" clubs. He said very rarely would they target a tall who needs work put into them as they know they will be able to entice them after all the ground work is done at one of the "feeder" clubs.

[Bornadog]

Re: St Kilda

We should do same for Smith

St Kilda told Josh Battle NOT to come to the Trevor Barker Award last night. Battle went on to finish third in the count, but wasn't mentioned by the president, captain or coach. Interesting approach from the club.

[Axe Man]

Re: St Kilda

We should do same for Smith

That's a strange approach by St Kilda. It's not like he's demanded a trade whilst contracted - he's a free agent. I think they need to grow up.

We treated Dunkley with respect when he left as of course he won the best and fairest. I doubt Smith would attend anyway but even if he does there will be no need to mention or acknowledge him having not played this season.

[mighty_west]

Re: St Kilda

We should do same for Smith

Why though? All clubs have players leave to other clubs and all clubs bring in players from other clubs (free agents, uncontracted, contracted), it's the nature of the beast.

[jeemak]

Re: St Kilda

I wouldn't be emulating the directionless Saints.

[Bornadog]

Re: St Kilda

Why though? All clubs have players leave to other clubs and all clubs bring in players from other clubs (free agents, uncontracted, contracted), it's the nature of the beast.

I am used to the corporate world where, you resign and go to a competitor, you leave immediately and that is it.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: St Kilda

I am used to the corporate world where, you resign and go to a competitor, you leave immediately and that is it.

Normally excutives have notice period from anywhere from 3 months to one year. In most cases if you are going to a direct competitor, you would be stood down immediately, marched out the door and put on "garden leave" for the whatever your notice period is. Self interest would rule regardless of tenure or contribution. "Garden leave" basically meaning that you would be controlled by your current empoloyer until you notice period is up and basically put in handcuffs.

If you were leaving to someone who was not a direct competitor, it would be different depending on the situation.

[jeemak]

Re: St Kilda

I am used to the corporate world where, you resign and go to a competitor, you leave immediately and that is it.

You take showers with your colleagues?

Footy's a bit different, I guess.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: St Kilda

We should do same for Smith

I don’t mind it.

If you’re out, you’re out. You can still be mates with players at the club and all of that stuff, but if you’ve told your employer to get stuffed, then it’s probably fair enough that you don’t attend an awards night afterward. In some ways, it will be interesting to see if it impacts the playing group positively negatively or not at all.