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  • The Adelaide Connection
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2009
    • 2841

    Originally posted by Stevo

    It's good that they can laugh about it but I wonder if the AFL see's the funny side of the perception of being paid from outside of the cap.
    The thing is, these two were signed young and are likely on pretty mediocre deals- so they may think it is all BS and unfounded rumour stuff. When they come out of contract and demand more they may be enlightened a little...

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    • Grantysghost
      Bouncing Strong
      • Apr 2010
      • 19293

      Originally posted by Sedat
      As an aside, I'm not sure there is anything more farken boring in the entire world than the annual Geelong "who are they impersonating" Mad Monday wankfest stories. The Richard Goyder replacement in-fighting at the AFEL commission stories come awfully close, but for sheer unadulterated tedium, nothing tops this.
      100 emoji
      BT COME BACK!​

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 67593

        Geelong have taken over from Bombres and Carlton as the new cheats that everyone hates. Everyone I speak to didn't want Geelong to win.
        FFC: Established 1883

        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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        • chef
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2008
          • 14742

          Geelong have banned mad Monday.
          The curse is dead.

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 19293

            Originally posted by chef
            Geelong have banned mad Monday.
            Been Bailey'd
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11945

              Originally posted by chef
              Geelong have banned mad Monday.
              Seems a couple days late, no?
              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14742

                Originally posted by Grantysghost

                Been Bailey'd
                The cancer is spreading.
                The curse is dead.

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                • EasternWest
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10110

                  Originally posted by chef
                  Geelong have banned mad Monday.
                  Oh that'll stop them.

                  As if they won't just assemble at one of their farms and do the same stuff anyway.
                  "It's over. It's all over."

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 22122

                    I love it. He's such a great influence on the culture with his non-stop talking about "getting on the piss" (because he definitely doesn't have a vested interest in promoting alcohol consumption) to doing homophobes and jizz emojis about prominent personalities on Insta.........

                    Let's see how his offseason goes.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • jazzadogs
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 5817

                      Caro has gone whack in The Age today...

                      Geelong’s season-long ticking time bomb that has been Bailey Smith finally exploded last Monday for all to see and the fallout is far from finished.
                      The collateral damage has spread from Patrick Dangerfield, the captain who has worked since late last year to nurture Smith’s talent and protect him from himself, the 2025 club champion Max Holmes, the coach Chris Scott who had again found excuses for him after he abused photographer Alison Wynd and the Cats chief Steve Hocking who has remained silent since the Mad Monday disaster.

                      The so-called rock-solid culture at Kardinia Park, long respected and with few peers since Frank Costa and Brian Cook led the club out of the wilderness, looks fragile. The club famous for turning lost boys into premiership players has hit a fork in the road with Smith and seems at a genuine loss to know what to do about him. Ditto the AFL.

                      There have been several occasions this season when Smith has been hard to find and even if the club’s leaders had wanted to address his behaviour in the days between Mad Monday and Thursday’s best and fairest count, most at the Cattery had no idea of Smith’s whereabouts.

                      Geelong’s response after the club’s annual post-season dress-up – once a fun and largely original diversion from the brutal realities of competitive sport – was to release a generic apology after 48 hours of argy-bargy with head office. No individual put their name to the statement which declared costumes would be banned forthwith.

                      Frankly, it was a pathetic response which completely missed the point. Even allowing for the Anti-Defamation Commission’s condemnation of the three players who turned up as Kneecap; the real point, of course, was Smith.

                      Speaking about the behaviour of AFL players through the lens of mental health can be tricky but Smith behaved on Monday like a lawless selfish brat with no thought for the club nor those teammates who have defended and, on occasion, covered for him this season. And those at the club who defend him because of his public history with those mental demons should acknowledge how offensive and hurtful his behaviour can be to others.

                      Smith offended the gay community, briefly dragging down one of the game’s most respected leaders, the unwitting Dangerfield. He once again offended women across the industry and beyond by targeting me with a disgusting social media post. And the post was only taken down after my female colleague Jacqui Reed complained to the club. Geelong’s media team has been MIA throughout September, and where was football boss Andrew Mackie on Monday?

                      Maybe it is because Smith has been occasionally unreachable, but where the AFL is concerned he remains untouchable.

                      Just ask young Giants Toby McMullin and Cooper Hamilton who were suspended for two weeks after dressing up as the Twin Towers 12 months ago at the deeply disappointing GWS Wacky Wednesday. Their costumes were in dreadful taste, but compared with Smith? He basically implied that losing a grand final turns you into a gay man – the implication being that’s a bad thing.

                      On a personal note, I probably wouldn’t have had a major problem with Max Holmes dressing up as me, even though it would have been nice to have been given the heads-up as we had spoken during the previous week. After the event he has been in touch twice and did apologise if he had given offence.

                      But I did have a problem with Smith’s social media post and an emoji my daughter had to explain to me. Judging from comments which came my way from people across the industry – the majority being women – I wasn’t alone. This is not a case of professional outrage. How dare Smith get away with sending such an insulting and sexist message to aspiring females with strong opinions working in the media or elsewhere in the AFL.

                      It came after Smith swore at Alison Wynd at an open media day earlier in September and coach Scott was moved to apologise to an AFL media manager after a verbal stoush left her in tears. A stoush relating to a visually impaired reporter’s presence at the post match press conference after the qualifying final.

                      Scott is widely regarded as the best, or one of the best, coaches in the game. He showed his customary sportsmanship after the shattering grand final loss, but in that previous post-match he jumped at shadows with neither Mackie nor media boss Sarah Kalaja prepared to regulate him. It feels like football has not been much fun for him of late.

                      Most disappointing where Holmes was concerned was that he felt the need to apologise to me on Smith’s behalf. Bailey Smith is a player who seems to have a habit of lurking in the shadows, leaving others to pick up the mess when he does the wrong thing.

                      “How does he get away with it?” journalists have asked on more than one occasion of the Cats this year. “It’s complicated,” say Cats bosses.

                      The game’s new football boss Greg Swann declared a new regime this week – a regime in which head office would leave clubs to handle missteps like Geelong’s Mad Monday. Apart from the sad fact that a significant number of women working in the football media feel let down by head office’s lack of action over Smith, Swann’s is not a bad strategy. Except that Smith’s lack of accountability is now damaging Geelong because they don’t know how to discipline him and cannot control him.

                      A player whose great form it wore as a cultural badge of honour this season after Smith’s fallout with the Bulldogs as the Cats kept winning and Smith kept starring.

                      The AFL, too, is deeply worried about Smith and at a loss as to how to move forward. It is extraordinary when you consider he publicly joked about celebrating post grand final with “nose beers”, prompted a home visit from Andrew Dillon – a fireside chat which proved fruitless in an off-field sense – swore at Wynd and has now highly offended the gay community and women in the media again and yet has only been punished by head office this year for twice raising his finger at crowds early in the season.

                      The Cats raised eyebrows in some circles and high praise in others last year when Tyson Stengle returned to the senior side less than a week after being rushed to hospital by ambulance after collapsing in a nightclub.

                      But Smith has challenged the Geelong way of “never complain, never explain”. It is clear the Cats have at times been forced to live a lie with Smith. All year we have been told how much his fellow players love having him around, how hard he trains and – true – how well he has played despite some occasional absences after a long absence following a knee reconstruction.

                      Yes, he has had a great season – All-Australian, runner-up in the Carji Greeves Medal and equal first in the AFL Coaches Award. But he has been an off-field liability on too many occasions this year and I don’t believe for one minute that he has won the unqualified affection and full support of his teammates. Geelong’s on-field leaders should be filthy with him this week.

                      The most telling red flag from this angle might seem innocuous in the context of the above, but it came on the night Smith won his All-Australian blazer and spoke about being institutionalised one year earlier. It was so commendable given his adored and influential status for him to normalise being in a “psych ward”.

                      But he had turned up in the wrong shoes and had to swap his sneakers for chief executive Hocking’s boots before he went on stage. Smith blamed his manager Robbie D’Orazio. He said untruthfully that D’Orazio was meant to supply his shoes that night. Chris Scott and Hocking just shook their heads.

                      It is one thing for a player of Smith’s age and status to struggle to wear the correct shoes – quite another to blame his manager. It was a minor version of the micromanagement overseen by AFL and Western Bulldogs bosses and outside crisis managers after he was filmed using drugs back in 2022.

                      Maybe that’s how it is when you’re a young, turbulent and troubled athlete. Particularly when you’re talented enough. That’s when the people around you are happy to just keep picking up the pieces and along the way sacrifice small chunks of their own reputations. Until they’re not.

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                      • hujsh
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 11945

                        Originally posted by jazzadogs

                        Frankly, it was a pathetic response which completely missed the point. Even allowing for the Anti-Defamation Commission’s condemnation of the three players who turned up as Kneecap; the real point, of course, was Smith.

                        To the non-Smith players
                        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                        • comrade
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 18103

                          Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.
                          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 45373

                            He's really got ahead of himself. A clear sign of not enough consequences for poor behavior. If he doesn't grow up soon he will burn through any good will he still has.
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                            • hujsh
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 11945

                              Originally posted by comrade
                              Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.
                              Have there been actual consequences yet? Or just the attention?
                              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                              • Sedat
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 11577

                                I take anything Caro says about respect for women with a grain of salt - it is meaningless coming from her.

                                However, she does have an ear to City Hall and clearly they have instructed her to write this article. To absolutely nobody's surprise here, Smith has become a big problem for both Geelong and the AFEL after less than 12 months. This was always going to end in tears, it was just a matter of whether Geelong could cash in with a flag in time before the bomb goes off. Another reason to thank Brisbane.

                                The old Mental Health Card has been getting a big workout at Shithole Park this season.
                                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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