Ricky Nixon joins the Conga line

[LostDoggy]

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Its not 17yo vs a 23yo anyway.
Its a individual 17yo vs a big AFL club. She lied - so what, the saints have lied throughout this as well.

[The Coon Dog]

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Isn't there already a thread about St.Kilda? This is supposed to be a Ricky Nixon thread.

[Ghost Dog]

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Do you have kids?

I could ask that of my 13 year old and will say she's not a child.

I teach VCE year 11s so day in and day out I deal with 17 year olds.

While the law is black and white, reality is not.

No matter what, the ultimate blame lies with players who abused their position to treat a young girl as a toy. Whichever way you want to justify it ( young guys are young guys etc ) its disgusting. Secondly, The parents. Thirdly, herself, she needs to cop it sweet. The child argument or the 'lying ***' rail are both barking up the wrong tree IMO.

[GVGjr]

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I am finding your argument confusing Ghost Dog. If she is not a 'child' but an adult why do you keep referring to the role of her parents and criticizing them? And as a teacher are you saying that just because 17yr olds can and do have sex, they are then fair game for a 'substance abusing' married 47 yr old?

She was 16 when this sorry saga began, incidentally. Her own (many) mistakes and misjudgments and appalling behavior have to be viewed in that light, not to excuse, but to reinforce that is why the law still calls her a child and attempts to protect such children from the consequences of their own poor decision making when people who should know better seek to take advantage of them.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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In this state (Victoria) where she lives she can NOT buy tattslotto or drive a car unsupervised she is a MINOR not an adult she is a 17 year old girl yes a manipulitave one but ffs she is 17 !!!!!

As a teacher, brother of a 17 year old and someone who was 17 not all that long ago I think the important thing to note is that there is a world of difference between one 17 year old and the next. Sometimes it is unbelievable to think that two kids of the same age could be so far apart and labelling ALL 17 year olds as a kid/adult is absolutely pointless in my opinion.

The fact here is that the girl in question, whilst arguably physically mature enough to pass for a 19 year old, clearly lacks facets of an adults emotional and intellectual maturity. This does not mean to say she is not intelligent or some kind of emotional wreck, but if you look back at some of the decisions she has made they are clearly not the workings of an adult. Another 17 year old may have had the facilities and skills to deal with the situation better (or not got into the mess in the first place) but that is completely irrelevant.

[Ghost Dog]

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I am finding your argument confusing Ghost Dog. If she is not a 'child' but an adult why do you keep referring to the role of her parents and criticizing them? And as a teacher are you saying that just because 17yr olds can and do have sex, they are then fair game for a 'substance abusing' married 47 yr old?

She was 16 when this sorry saga began, incidentally. Her own (many) mistakes and misjudgments and appalling behavior have to be viewed in that light, not to excuse, but to reinforce that is why the law still calls her a child and attempts to protect such children from the consequences of their own poor decision making when people who should know better seek to take advantage of them.

Not once did I say she was an adult. I said she was a wayward teen. What she is not, is a child


Calling a 17 year old a child is rather silly IMO.
I work in China on and off. Many kids ( not all parts ) are treated quite hard, but the grow up straight, upstanding and respectful.
The contrast in teaching here and in Australia is incredible to witness.
In Australia, we have the nanny state. When one ends up like Fev, everyone says "oh what a pity".
Get on a Frankston train on a Saturday night and see what 'children' get up to.
A little more ownership of choices and a little less protection.

Sure, her behaviour when she was 16 - in that light. What about now? Entrapment? act of a child? Come on.

So what do you have to say about the role of her parents then? You seem to disagree that they should be criticised.

[Ghost Dog]

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As a teacher, brother of a 17 year old and someone who was 17 not all that long ago I think the important thing to note is that there is a world of difference between one 17 year old and the next. Sometimes it is unbelievable to think that two kids of the same age could be so far apart and labelling ALL 17 year olds as a kid/adult is absolutely pointless in my opinion.

The fact here is that the girl in question, whilst arguably physically mature enough to pass for a 19 year old, clearly lacks facets of an adults emotional and intellectual maturity. This does not mean to say she is not intelligent or some kind of emotional wreck, but if you look back at some of the decisions she has made they are clearly not the workings of an adult. Another 17 year old may have had the facilities and skills to deal with the situation better (or not got into the mess in the first place) but that is completely irrelevant.

Not sure about that. Tend to suspect drugs and alcohol are behind many of her decisions.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Not sure about that. Tend to suspect drugs and alcohol are behind many of her decisions.

So you would argue that she is a socially, emotionally and intellectually mature adult and all her issues are due to drugs and alcohol? From your highlighting you also contend that all 17 year olds are exactly as mature as each other?

That, my friend, is crazy talk.

[GVGjr]

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I am just pointing to the contradiction that I see in you claiming she should be seen as owning decisions and viewed as not a child, and yet calling for parental intervention.

[Ghost Dog]

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So you would argue that she is a socially, emotionally and intellectually mature adult and all her issues are due to drugs and alcohol? From your highlighting you also contend that all 17 year olds are exactly as mature as each other?

That, my friend, is crazy talk.

Never said she was an adult.
Never said all her issues were due to drugs and alchohol.

But they no doubt play a part, ( based on her twitter posts, reported in the age - being juiced up at clubs etc etc.
Never said they were all the same. But, If they want their lives to go in positive directions, they have to make positive choices. Ask any parent. As mentioned, yep, minors they are. But at some point, parents have to stand back and say ' that's your call and your problem'.
The Nanny state will cry ' They are just a child' but that's like saying a half baked cake is not a cake.

[Ghost Dog]

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I am just pointing to the contradiction that I see in you claiming she should be seen as owning decisions and viewed as not a child, and yet calling for parental intervention.

There are more colours than black and white.
Life is full of contradictions.
Yes, some decisions should be fully owned. Yet others, are really the domain of her folks.

My point is, you call her a child and I say ' true but not right, right but not true'.

[Bornadog]

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Never said she was an adult.
Never said all her issues were due to drugs and alchohol.

But they no doubt play a part, ( based on her twitter posts, reported in the age - being juiced up at clubs etc etc.
Never said they were all the same. But, If they want their lives to go in positive directions, they have to make positive choices. Ask any parent. At some point, you have to stand back and say ' that's your call and your problem'.
The Nanny state will cry ' They are just a child' but that's like saying a half baked cake is not a cake.

GD you don't get the point do you?

All posters are saying is that its a 17 year old Child versus Mature adults.

No one agrees or condones what this girl did, but the reaction from the St KIlda Football Club should have been alot more foregiving and they should have acted like mature adults, not pratts. Thats all, don't read too much into it.

[Ghost Dog]

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GD you don't get the point do you?

All posters are saying is that its a 17 year old Child versus Mature adults.

No one agrees or condones what this girl did, but the reaction from the St KIlda Football Club should have been alot more foregiving and they should have acted like mature adults, not pratts. Thats all, don't read too much into it.

Not all of us agree. I'm no fan of St Kilda, but what would you like the AFL / St Kilda to do?
Imagine one of our players has a relationship with a girl who lies about her age, pretends to be pregnant and so forth.
Could you imagine a much more different reaction?

She has been offered counselling, an apartment and met with the club and the AFL a number of times. So beyond this, what would your expectations be?

Yes, I agree, I don't get your point. And she is not ....a....child.

[Scraggers]

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Not all of us agree. I'm no fan of St Kilda, but what would you like the AFL / St Kilda to do?
Imagine one of our players has a relationship with a girl who lies about her age, pretends to be pregnant and so forth.
Could you imagine a much more different reaction?

She has been offered counselling, an apartment and met with the club and the AFL a number of times. So beyond this, what would your expectations be?

Yes, I agree, I don't get your point. And she is not ....a....child.

I would hope that we would be more caring ... I would hope that the Pastoral Care Program we would provide when we realised that the girl was underage would be top notch ... I would hope that we would not shun the girl away and sweep it under the carpet like it never happened ... I would hope that we would re-educate the player involved ... I would hope that we would work with all stakeholders (estranged parents included) for the best possible outcome for both girl and player ... I would hope that we were upfront and honest.

This is what I expect of my Football Club !!!

[Dancin' Douggy]

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23 is older than 16 in most peoples books. Who used the word Toddler or Wise old man apart from yourself?

Sorry Chops, not ignoring you.
Just regretting I ever dipped my toe in to this sordid quicksand of a discussion.

For what it's worth, I had a torrid affair with a 17 year old when I was 23.
We are married, have 3 kids, and have been together for 24 years.

Still love her as much as I did then. Well more.