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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    The Sham Cup

    We can only hope the cancellation of today's Saints vs Bombers game brings us one step closer to getting rid of this comp and extending the home and away season.
    How can you have a legit competition with games of different lengths, ridiculous trial rules, only 4 rounds of 18 teams and at unfamiliar locations and grounds? Just to name a few problems.
  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #2
    Re: The Sham Cup

    Couldn't agree more Chops.
    Playing games of football still, also now they're having match day training !!
    Season should start next week and each team have 2 Byes!

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    • Ghost Dog
      WOOF Member
      • May 2010
      • 9404

      #3
      Re: The Sham Cup

      Am sure the people in country vic disagree with you chops. Love the NAB, getting a look at the new kids, can get front fow seats easy peasy and supergoals are cool. Only thing I hate is when dogs players get injured.
      You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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      • jazzadogs
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Oct 2008
        • 5569

        #4
        Re: The Sham Cup

        Reports that, if a decision can't be reached between the clubs (St Kilda want the 4 points), they will flip a coin to decide the match.

        Shows how much respect the AFL has for the competition.

        EDIT: Official AFL Statement
        Last edited by jazzadogs; 03-03-2012, 11:49 PM.

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66096

          #5
          Re: The Sham Cup

          Originally posted by Chops
          We can only hope the cancellation of today's Saints vs Bombers game brings us one step closer to getting rid of this comp and extending the home and away season.
          How can you have a legit competition with games of different lengths, ridiculous trial rules, only 4 rounds of 18 teams and at unfamiliar locations and grounds? Just to name a few problems.
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          • MrMahatma
            Coaching Staff
            • Sep 2007
            • 3965

            #6
            Re: The Sham Cup

            Originally posted by jazzadogs
            Reports that, if a decision can't be reached between the clubs (St Kilda want the 4 points), they will flip a coin to decide the match.

            Shows how much respect the AFL has for the competition.

            EDIT: Official AFL Statement
            That's pretty outrageous. Toss of a coin...

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: The Sham Cup

              Originally posted by Ghost Dog
              Am sure the people in country vic disagree with you chops. Love the NAB, getting a look at the new kids, can get front fow seats easy peasy and supergoals are cool. Only thing I hate is when dogs players get injured.
              Of course the country people want to see games. Let them have 2 weeks of practice matches. Its the competition that's BS.
              If super goals are so good then use them all year.

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: The Sham Cup

                Originally posted by MrMahatma
                That's pretty outrageous. Toss of a coin...
                Even without the coin toss the the competition is now compromised. How do you work out a percentage given its likely the finalist will be decided by this.


                It also slightly compromises the real season by both side have a week off when others played.

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                • Hotdog60
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5841

                  #9
                  Re: The Sham Cup

                  I'm with Chops on scrapping this comp and extending the season, as for the tinkering with the rules I wish they would leave things alone.

                  Nine point goals meh, gimmicky and we don't need it, the AFL talks about a national completion and extending the brand overseas they need to stop playing with the rules and get it sorted so that they stop confusing people who haven't grown up with the game.

                  I used to enjoy the NAB cup back when it was the night series but now it's just play ground for tampering and confusing players and fans.
                  Don't piss off old people
                  The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44283

                    #10
                    Re: The Sham Cup

                    I don't like some of the rules that we see in the NAB cup but I don't think it's a bad competition leading into the real season. The positives for me is the chance to see players tried in positions they don't normally play and it's also a great chance to see some of the younger guys.
                    The old practice games were never that great in my opinion.

                    For those that are criticizing it, did you go to the final (or watch it on TV) and celebrate when we won it?

                    I'd certainly prefer players getting ready for match conditions via the NAB cup rather just going straight into the season without it.
                    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44283

                      #11
                      Re: The Sham Cup

                      Originally posted by Hotdog60
                      I'm with Chops on scrapping this comp and extending the season, as for the tinkering with the rules I wish they would leave things alone.
                      They won't extend the season and even if they did, how do players get ready for match conditions without an organised competition as a lead in?

                      I don't like the gimmicky rules but I suppose they need a point of difference between that and the home and away season. It's also a chance to see if the proposed rules could be carried over into the home and away season.
                      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                      • Go_Dogs
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 10110

                        #12
                        Re: The Sham Cup

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        I'd certainly prefer players getting ready for match conditions via the NAB cup rather just going straight into the season without it.
                        Agreed.

                        The current format also provides the AFL some good revenue, and an opportunity to trial a few things.

                        Can't see it changing myself.
                        Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                        • MrMahatma
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 3965

                          #13
                          Re: The Sham Cup

                          I'm sure the sponsorship cash will determine the life-span of this cup.

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                          • Desipura
                            WOOF Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 4344

                            #14
                            Re: The Sham Cup

                            Extending the home and away games would not sit well with the players. Clubs would just rest their players even more than they currently are.
                            Imagine how many more dead rubber games there would be ie GWS vs Geelong.
                            Not to mention games that will get no audience whether at the ground or on tv ie GWS vs
                            Port Adelaide.
                            I can see in the future lesser games not even being televised like back in the 70s and 80s.

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                            • Hotdog60
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 5841

                              #15
                              Re: The Sham Cup

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              They won't extend the season and even if they did, how do players get ready for match conditions without an organised competition as a lead in?

                              I don't like the gimmicky rules but I suppose they need a point of difference between that and the home and away season. It's also a chance to see if the proposed rules could be carried over into the home and away season.
                              As I said I used to enjoy the night series way back when, I suppose I'm just getting sick and tired of the rule changes more than anything.
                              Don't piss off old people
                              The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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