2013 Phantom Draft

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: 2013 Phantom Draft

We will finish 17th and we will get Boyd after GWS take Scharenburg

You think Melbourne can win 3 more games?

[Bornadog]

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You think Melbourne can win 3 more games?

Wouldn't be surprised

[LostDoggy]

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Scenario:

You're a coach/head recruiter of a bottom 4-6 team. You have deficiencies in almost all areas of the park. Across two drafts you get early picks. Do you;

Recruit talented youngsters who play against mature bodies in state leagues, complimented by Championship games, ready for almost immediate senior football, placating supporters or;

Recruit the best available at your pick, but have predominantly played private school football against underdeveloped bodies, along with Championship football. Their upside is seen as higher, but further down the track?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2013 Phantom Draft

Scenario:

You're a coach/head recruiter of a bottom 4-6 team. You have deficiencies in almost all areas of the park. Across two drafts you get early picks. Do you;

Recruit talented youngsters who play against mature bodies in state leagues, complimented by Championship games, ready for almost immediate senior football, placating supporters or;

Recruit the best available at your pick, but have predominantly played private school football against underdeveloped bodies, along with Championship football. Their upside is seen as higher, but further down the track?

So the comparison using first round picks is a mature body like Stringer or a project player like Cordy. Is that the question?

[LostDoggy]

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That's an extreme angle of the question BT if they were in the same draft. The question more revolves around this draft, using us as an example:

Say this draft, if Josh Kelly is rated the third best player, but needs body bulk and has played against kids, do we go him, or do we go Matt Scharenberg, maybe rated a fourth or fifth, but who,'s ready now, played against men, fits a need, but isn't 'next best'.

[Bulldog4life]

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We will finish 17th and we will get Boyd after GWS take Scharenburg

Personally BAD I think we will stay where we are. So 4th pick in the draft. Can't see the Saints or Demons winning enough games to finish above us. Time will tell.

[bulldogtragic]

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That's an extreme angle of the question BT if they were in the same draft. The question more revolves around this draft, using us as an example:

Say this draft, if Josh Kelly is rated the third best player, but needs body bulk and has played against kids, do we go him, or do we go Matt Scharenberg, maybe rated a fourth or fifth, but who,'s ready now, played against men, fits a need, but isn't 'next best'.

Ah, got you. Good question. I guess my comparison would be Stringer who played VFL pick 5 or Macrae who I don't think did went next pick 6. Which is similar to the positional comparison of Kelly and Scharenburg. Looking at last year I don't know whether the exposure to men is that important, but Stringer I arguably more important. Tough call.

[Topdog]

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Personally BAD I think we will stay where we are. So 4th pick in the draft. Can't see the Saints or Demons winning enough games to finish above us. Time will tell.

We have 1 more winnable game and I think Saints have 2 winnable games. That doesnt mean that they win them though.

[Remi Moses]

Re: 2013 Phantom Draft

Scenario:

You're a coach/head recruiter of a bottom 4-6 team. You have deficiencies in almost all areas of the park. Across two drafts you get early picks. Do you;

Recruit talented youngsters who play against mature bodies in state leagues, complimented by Championship games, ready for almost immediate senior football, placating supporters or;

Recruit the best available at your pick, but have predominantly played private school football against underdeveloped bodies, along with Championship football. Their upside is seen as higher, but further down the track?

Interesting hearing Derek Hine
Collingwood look at players playing senior footy against men, than the alternate of playing against kids. If its a line ball decision.

[Bulldog4life]

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We have 1 more winnable game and I think Saints have 2 winnable games. That doesnt mean that they win them though.

That's right Topdog. Of course there are always upsets too. Saints beat Carlton earlier this year. Positions might all come down to the last game of the season.

[wimberga]

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That's right Topdog. Of course there are always upsets too. Saints beat Carlton earlier this year. Positions might all come down to the last game of the season.

Your probably right on that B4Life.

The way I see it, we will have pick 3-5. I get the feeling that the current top 3 are looking like Boyd, Aish, Scharenberg, and then those next 2 best players look like being Kelly and Billings.

therefore, worst case scenario, we will probably end up with whichever one of those guys slips, and best case scenario, we may still be able to pick one of Aish or Scharenberg.

Does anyone get the feeling that Melbourne may not pick Aish with #2? They definitely need more midfielders but I get the feeling they may look to stay local and go with one of Kelly or Billings. I don't remember if I read that somewhere but Aish obviously didn't have a "great" championships being tagged, so maybe they will have taken notice of those other guys?

additionally, could they also take Scharenberg after his great champs?

If Aish somehow slipped to us, I would be ecstatic.

[Go_Dogs]

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Great effort MRM, good read.

Also thanks for your observations mjp.

[Remi Moses]

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O'rourke was meant to be available at our pick but went earlier .
Got a feeling Kelly might go earlier than everyone thinks.

[SlimPickens]

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Whick ones SP ?

My top 10

1.Boyd
2.Kelly
3.Scharenburg
4.Aish
5.Billings
6.McDonald
7.Sheed
8.Dunstan
9. Kolodjashnij
10.Taylor.

I think you have a couple too high namely Peter Steffe (could see him rookie drafted), Lennon (not by much have him in 15-20 territory), Reynolds(20-30 range)

Otherwise I'd have Marsh (7-15 range), Hourigan (really rated his carnival which has him in 10-15 range for me).

Great effort, love your work. No doubt more will change as the year continues.

[LostDoggy]

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My top 10

Otherwise I'd have Marsh (7-15 range), Hourigan (really rated his carnival which has him in 10-15 range for me).

Great effort, love your work. No doubt more will change as the year continues.

This isn't a dig at you SP but I really don't get the Hourigan hype in general. He's a big fella, can take a grab and kicks ok but he seems to have no second effort and he seems lazy. I've yet to see him work defensively - hangs in the goal square sitting on his puppy fat backside. I'd be very worried about taking him with our second rounder - see him more at about 30 +. It feels like he's getting talked up because there is no one else in the draft that looks anything like a forward but I'd hate us to take him.

Really liked Sokol's game in the WA/SA match up. Had scharenburg on him in the first half and he absolutely held his own. Prefer to have a stab at someone like him in the later or rookie rounds than Hourigan. Marsh would be a good 2nd round option but think he'll go earlier (as you note although I think he'll be late teens) and he's more a HFF I think. Very up and down passage by him in the same game showed his talent and how young he is as well!