Stick with code, says WADA

[bulldogtragic]

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You have to wonder on the mixed messages of the AFL...

Gary Ablett Snr is refused hall of fame based on issues in his private life, after football. To admit him in the HoF would be to damage the brand. If that's the test, then fine.

Yet when Essendon systematically drug it's playing group with illegal substances, some not fit for human use, where is the AFL at in trying to re-purify the brand???

They need to take a lesson from cycling... Admit there was an issue, that some 'cheated' and commit to it never happening again, and punish much beloved world heroes as a statement of intent that you control the destiny of the sport.

[Hotdog60]

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/the...-1226684212593

Grab the popcorn, sit down and enjoy the show. It's about to get very interesting by the looks.

I hate Rugby League with a passion (sorry to the woofers that are the opposite). But I'm glad that other code will step up publicly to keep to investigation and hopefully the AFL honest.

[Sedat]

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904

So Andy D (allegedly) gave Essendon the heads-up before the ACC report was released? Surely not, Essendon came clean of their own volition, those brave hearty souls

Now that Vlad has been implicated in whistle-blowing the story to Essendon before the ACC release, and subsequently made efforts to cover up the story and reduce the penalties handed to Essendon, I think it's fair to say that whatever 'agreement' Vlad and David Evans might have conjured up at the start will be tossed in the bin, and self-interest will take over.

Could it be possible that Essendon is punished into submission and Andy D also falls on his sword over the whole affair? This story is like a snowball gathering pace down the mountain top - it just gets bigger and bigger.

[comrade]

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Could it be possible that Essendon is punished into submission and Andy D also falls on his sword over the whole affair?

We can only hope but I'm not as bullish as you are.

[Sedat]

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This story from early 2012 makes for very interesting reading now:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-war-with-sports-scientists-20120312-1uwi3.html

Especially this comment from Anderson....."Sports scientists, high performance managers, whatever you want to call them, have a very legitimate and important role to play in the game,'' said Anderson. ''But we need to make it clear that doctors are the only ones qualified to be making medical decisions".

[bulldogtragic]

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226684619904

So Andy D (allegedly) gave Essendon the heads-up before the ACC report was released? Surely not, Essendon came clean of their own volition, those brave hearty souls

Now that Vlad has been implicated in whistle-blowing the story to Essendon before the ACC release, and subsequently made efforts to cover up the story and reduce the penalties handed to Essendon, I think it's fair to say that whatever 'agreement' Vlad and David Evans might have conjured up at the start will be tossed in the bin, and self-interest will take over.

Could it be possible that Essendon is punished into submission and Andy D also falls on his sword over the whole affair? This story is like a snowball gathering pace down the mountain top - it just gets bigger and bigger.

Thanks Sedat, that's. great way to start the day!

How many PR people will Vlad have running around the clock ATM running interference for him?

My reaction. Vlad says he didn't tip them off the night before. This position is because he didnt know which club(s) the ACC referred to with questionable supplement programs. Yet, the AFL advised Essendon and Hird about not using peptides etc.....

1) So is Vlad saying he was not aware Essendon/Hird made such a top level request for info? - I can't believe for a second Vlad wouldn't be aware if it. So I call bullshit on this.

2) How many AFL clubs were likely to be undertaking a peptide supplement program? Not 18? - Vlad has not denied speaking to other clubs me might of 'suspected'. I call bullshit on this.


Vlad would have at very least had suspicions on Essendon. He speaks to Evans, not a pleb. He speaks to him the night before, not in business hours the next day, but in the period he knows the ACC is moving. And has a discussion about the topic of the ACC investigation. Hours later, Essendon take the high road and manfully come forward....

I hope ASADA, WADA, ACC and the Fed. Govt are paying close attention.

Edit - I just read his transcript from 3aw. Vlad says he had a meeting with the ACC, where they nominated clubs and drugs. He suspected Essendon. Evans calls him the next night and wants to know if Essendon are implicated. Vlad decides he should call back ASAP and say he doesn't know for certain... Really... At best this is a very poor decision.

Imagine if this wasn't a private organisation, say governmental.... The Office of Police Integrity brief the Chief Commissioner. They advise of dubious policing practices at police stations. The CC suspects the Essendon Police Station. Before the process plays out, the Officer in Charge of Essendon contacts the CC and wants to know if they have been implicated, he leaves a mobile phone message one night..... The CC then returns the call almost immediately that night and says he said nothing of consequence. But hours later, the Essendon Police Station volunteer themselves to 'internal affairs' amid concerns of a cover-up.

We'd have a bloody royal commission.

[Ghost Dog]

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This story from early 2012 makes for very interesting reading now:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-war-with-sports-scientists-20120312-1uwi3.html

Especially this comment from Anderson....."Sports scientists, high performance managers, whatever you want to call them, have a very legitimate and important role to play in the game,'' said Anderson. ''But we need to make it clear that doctors are the only ones qualified to be making medical decisions".

Good in theory, but doctors are part-time. So they can't be expected to make 100% of the decisions at a club.

Vlad will be checking for phone taps, I can tell you. It's one recording or leaked letter away from becoming disaster number 1 in Australian sport.

[1eyedog]

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Good in theory, but doctors are part-time. So they can't be expected to make 100% of the decisions at a club.

Doctors can be part time but still make 100% of the medical decisions at the club. Even if they are not there in person they can still be consulted 24/7.

They are the qualified authority.

[Ghost Dog]

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Doctors can be part time but still make 100% of the medical decisions at the club. Even if they are not there in person they can still be consulted 24/7.

They are the qualified authority.

I want to agree with you on this point, but people working at Footy clubs tend to disagree on this point, just down to practicality. Some smaller clubs like North only have a doctor there a few days a week.

[1eyedog]

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I want to agree with you on this point, but people working at Footy clubs tend to disagree on this point, just down to practicality. Some smaller clubs like North only have a doctor there a few days a week.

Fair enough I'm not across their role I just thought everything medical would have to go through them.

[Ghost Dog]

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You would think so, 1eyedog. It's all very well for the AFL to say this to appease the community, but I'm sure a bandage or a few tablets will be taken care of here and there without a doctor, just as they won't be around until the following week.

[Mofra]

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Imagine if this wasn't a private organisation, say governmental.... The Office of Police Integrity brief the Chief Commissioner. They advise of dubious policing practices at police stations. The CC suspects the Essendon Police Station. Before the process plays out, the Officer in Charge of Essendon contacts the CC and wants to know if they have been implicated, he leaves a mobile phone message one night..... The CC then returns the call almost immediately that night and says he said nothing of consequence. But hours later, the Essendon Police Station volunteer themselves to 'internal affairs' amid concerns of a cover-up.

We'd have a bloody royal commission.

... and every public servant found to behaved inappropriately would be facing dismissal under the Public Service Act.
Essendon will keep employees after this affair is finished that should count themselves lucky.

[Mofra]

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Good in theory, but doctors are part-time. So they can't be expected to make 100% of the decisions at a club.

That's fair enough - but Doc Reid at Essendon (who isn't there full time) wasn't just absent at times, he was completely frozen out of the whole process.

That speaks volumes of how the whole program operated, a respected club doctor forced to sit on the outer as Essendon window shopped for doctors who would give them dodgy prescriptions.

[Ghost Dog]

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I agree with you Mofra. For the bigger clubs, who are paying up to half a million a year for sports 'science' there is absolutely no excuse. EFC players were taken off site and injected 40 times a season with a substance not approved for humans. The letter from Reid to the board was 'lost'. It's extraordinary, and makes Sedat's Balco call actually much more accurate than a mere heckle.

[Sedat]

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-told-asada-demetriou-tipped-off-bombers-20130725-2qkt2.html

Well, well, well. Looks as though the holy triumvirate of Vlad, Evans and Hird is already starting to crumble.