Well Ruck Me.

[Mantis]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

Its certainly a concern that Roughy goes down with a 'short term' injury every week mid game.

It isn't helping Boyd either... He seems to battling under the extra workload being placed upon him and it's not helping his development as a key forward, our forward structure or his body.

Our ideal set-up is our no.1 ruck plays 85% game time as a pure ruckman and Boyd fills the gap, but we are a long from that at present. If Roughy can't play that role then it's time to bring someone else to assist.

[Ozza]

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It isn't helping Boyd either... He seems to battling under the extra workload being placed upon him and it's not helping his development as a key forward our forward structure or his body.

Our ideal set-up is our no.1 ruck plays 85% game time as a pure ruckman and Boyd fills the gap, but we are a long from that at present. If Roughy can't play that role then it's time to bring someone else to assist.

Agree. Boyd is spending too much time on the ball. It would be fantastic if Roughead could handle the workload of a No.1 ruck - but its hard to see him being able to do it week in, week out.

[Sedat]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

Our ideal set-up is our no.1 ruck plays 85% game time as a pure ruckman and Boyd fills the gap, but we are a long from that at present. If Roughy can't play that role then it's time to bring someone else to assist.

I'm not sure we will be able to cope with the running demands of the modern game if we bring in a tall for a small to assist in ruck duties. From my perspective we either replace Roughy in the team or we keep him in as the primary ruck - our game plan relies heavily on gut running both ways and I fear we will take the edge off this advantage if we get the tall/small mix too top-heavy.

[Mantis]

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I'm not sure we will be able to cope with the running demands of the modern game if we bring in a tall for a small to assist in ruck duties. From my perspective we either replace Roughy in the team or we keep him in as the primary ruck - our game plan relies heavily on gut running both ways and I fear we will take the edge off this advantage if we get the tall/small mix too top-heavy.

But the advantage we had is already gone with the loss of Murf & JJ.

With games coming up against teams with tall forwardlines (and good rucks) we really have to look at giving Roughead & Boyd some support.

[Bornadog]

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I'm not sure we will be able to cope with the running demands of the modern game if we bring in a tall for a small to assist in ruck duties. From my perspective we either replace Roughy in the team or we keep him in as the primary ruck - our game plan relies heavily on gut running both ways and I fear we will take the edge off this advantage if we get the tall/small mix too top-heavy.

I still think we can if we brought in say a Campbell and roughy play the second ruck role. Hawks are still the measuring stick and they do it with two ruck man, and play Gunston as a FF.

[Mantis]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

I still think we can if we brought in say a Campbell and roughy play the second ruck role. Hawks are still the measuring stick and they do it with two ruck man, and play Gunston as a FF.

Gunston is pretty much the same size as Stringer.

[Bornadog]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

Gunston is pretty much the same size as Stringer.

Ok, Shoenmakers (195cm)

[1eyedog]

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Adams' form means its no longer as simple as sending Roughie back and promoting Campbell. It's almost the case now where if Roughie can't ruck he's out of the team, so he's competing for a spot with Campbell and Minson.

Can Roughie play back if Hamling plays forward and we bring in Campbell?

[Mantis]

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Adams' form means its no longer as simple as sending Roughie back and promoting Campbell. It's almost the case now where if Roughie can't ruck he's out of the team, so he's competing for a spot with Campbell and Minson.

In 2 weeks time we play North (Petrie, Waite & Brown).. The following week we play Adel (Jenkins, Walker & Lynch). How do you see us matching up against those teams.. Play Morris tall?

With both teams also having good mid/ small forwards it's certainly going to stretch us.

[1eyedog]

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In 2 weeks time we play North (Petrie, Waite & Brown).. The following week we play Adel (Jenkins, Walker & Lynch). How do you see us matching up against those teams.. Play Morris tall?

With both teams also having good mid/ small forwards it's certainly going to stretch us.

North are a concern. I think we have the personnel to play on Adelaide's talls minus Roughie, Lynch doesn't need a tall.

[Sedat]

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In 2 weeks time we play North (Petrie, Waite & Brown).. The following week we play Adel (Jenkins, Walker & Lynch). How do you see us matching up against those teams.. Play Morris tall?

With both teams also having good mid/ small forwards it's certainly going to stretch us.

It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. It we rob our run in the midfield, it will give both Norf and Adelaide more opportunity to control the game from the middle (where I reckon we have the edge on both teams), which will then give their tall forwards far greater supply.

I'm not comfortable with our current back 6 on paper being able to control both those forward lines, but then again we are conceding 54 points a game this year so it comes back to team defence and structuring up to make sure there is limited clean and easy ball for the opposition forwards to feast on.

There is definite merit in both philosophies - interesting MC selection meetings coming up.

[Bornadog]

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It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. It we rob our run in the midfield, it will give both Norf and Adelaide more opportunity to control the game from the middle (where I reckon we have the edge on both teams), which will then give their tall forwards far greater supply.

I'm not comfortable with our current back 6 on paper being able to control both those forward lines, but then again we are conceding 54 points a game this year so it comes back to team defence and structuring up to make sure there is limited clean and easy ball for the opposition forwards to feast on.

There is definite merit in both philosophies - interesting MC selection meetings coming up.

On the other hand, last time we played North in 2015, this was the team:


Player
Lachlan Hunter
Matthew Boyd
Mitchell Wallis
Jackson Macrae
Luke Dahlhaus
Marcus Bontempelli
Robert Murphy
Liam Picken
Shane Biggs
Jake Stringer
Jason Johannisen
Easton Wood
Lukas Webb
Mitch Honeychurch
Jarrad Grant
Stewart Crameri
Dale Morris
Jordan Roughead
Joel Hamling
Tory Dickson
Jack Redpath
Zaine Cordy

Petrie, Brown and Waite also played.

We kept them to 10 goals.

[soupman]

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In 2 weeks time we play North (Petrie, Waite & Brown).. The following week we play Adel (Jenkins, Walker & Lynch). How do you see us matching up against those teams.. Play Morris tall?

With both teams also having good mid/ small forwards it's certainly going to stretch us.

Against North I see Adams and hamling being sufficient. The way we set up means that these two (plus Wood) should always be able to make the contest that see's any of the three talls mark the ball. The only time they'll get a clear size mismatch on them will be if they lead very wide. Couple that with Roughead likely pushing into defence as practiced against Carlton and I think we will be alright.

[lemmon]

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Against North I see Adams and hamling being sufficient. The way we set up means that these two (plus Wood) should always be able to make the contest that see's any of the three talls mark the ball. The only time they'll get a clear size mismatch on them will be if they lead very wide. Couple that with Roughead likely pushing into defence as practiced against Carlton and I think we will be alright.

Agree with that. I think the taller, slower type tends to suit Wood anyway in that it gives him more freedom to zone off knowing he's less likely to be burnt at ground level if there's a spill. In the one on ones he gives up an inch but goes a long way to making up for it with his leap...I'm not sure I can remember him being beaten in a marking contest - he absolutely destroyed Pavlich in Round 1 when matched up there.

[always right]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

Against North I see Adams and hamling being sufficient. The way we set up means that these two (plus Wood) should always be able to make the contest that see's any of the three talls mark the ball. The only time they'll get a clear size mismatch on them will be if they lead very wide. Couple that with Roughead likely pushing into defence as practiced against Carlton and I think we will be alright.

Agree. Reckon Adams will be the ideal matchup on Waite. Hamling to play on Petrie. Morris on Brown.

What I am going to miss in the North game is the re-enactment of JJ running away from Ben Brown (last year). One of the funniest things I've seen in years. Brown looked like he was running into a wind tunnel.