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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
It's abyssmal. You're preaching to the choir.
The only thing in Clayton's defense is that if you go through our picks there were very few decent KPP's available for us (I don't count guys like Nathan Thompson who was taken with pick 84 or something).
McMahon over Petrie was one but even two years ago I wouldn't have made that trade.
I've spoken of our two major stuff-ups from 2001 (ironically the two guys you mentioned).
But hey, the year of the Veale deal I was pushing for Fergus Watts so what do I know!Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
It's pretty clear he has trouble spotting 'talls'. His track record there is hardly impressive.
The only two tall players drafted by Clayton to ever make the top ten in our B&F are Lake and Hargrave (who is only a borderline tall at best).
Over the last 4 years talls have taken 6 out of a possible 40 positions in the B&F top 10, and two of those spots were taken by Darcy and Grant in '04.
What we have needed more than anything in the world since Clayton started with us is a tall forward. After 8 drafts we still didn't have one until Jarrard Grant ( here's hoping). We'll give Clayton the benefit of the doubt on Tim Walsh, but should we be stinging over passing up Buddy Franklin? I mean he was exactly what we NEEDED. I love the 'million dollar Griff' but I think we'd take Franklin if the draft was re held today.
He has made some inspired choices and 99 was a bit of a coup.
Murphy, Gia, Hahn, Gilbee and Hargrave. But the talls taken in that draft were out and out duds. Wiggins and Bowden.
Compare this to St. Kilda's draft of 2001.
Luke Ball, X Clarke, Dal Santo, Matt Maguire and Leigh Montagna.
Now that's an impressive draft.
Granted Ball and Clarke were picks 2 and 5, but we took Sam Power before all St. Kilda's other picks......."ouch"
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
Del Santo would be nice but would hardly help us with our KP problems.It's pretty clear he has trouble spotting 'talls'. His track record there is hardly impressive.
The only two tall players drafted by Clayton to ever make the top ten in our B&F are Lake and Hargrave (who is only a borderline tall at best).
Over the last 4 years talls have taken 6 out of a possible 40 positions in the B&F top 10, and two of those spots were taken by Darcy and Grant in '04.
What we have needed more than anything in the world since Clayton started with us is a tall forward. After 8 drafts we still didn't have one until Jarrard Grant ( here's hoping). We'll give Clayton the benefit of the doubt on Tim Walsh, but should we be stinging over passing up Buddy Franklin? I mean he was exactly what we NEEDED. I love the 'million dollar Griff' but I think we'd take Franklin if the draft was re held today.
He has made some inspired choices and 99 was a bit of a coup.
Murphy, Gia, Hahn, Gilbee and Hargrave. But the talls taken in that draft were out and out duds. Wiggins and Bowden.
Compare this to St. Kilda's draft of 2001.
Luke Ball, X Clarke, Dal Santo, Matt Maguire and Leigh Montagna.
Now that's an impressive draft.
Granted Ball and Clarke were picks 2 and 5, but we took Sam Power before all St. Kilda's other picks......."ouch"
Maguire is no bigger than Morris (a bit better overhead perhaps).
If we had passed up on Power for a KP, our choices were:
15. Barry Brooks (most of the phantom drafts had us taking him)
21. Maguire
22. Mark Seaby
26. Aaron Rogers (who?)
27. Tom Davidson
38. Ashley Hansen
41. Henry Playfair
55. Brad Miller
2001 gets lots of wraps for being the superdraft but really after the top 3 (and Ball hasn't really done much yet to justify the hype), Bartel and Del Santo it falls away like every other draft.Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
Lol, a top bloke.
Played a few years with Glenelg after being overlooked in the draft, came to us with a bung knee.
DId a few good things but definitely not AFL standard. Now plays in Canberra.
Back to the post, i agree with anyone who says Clayton has drafted too many duds.
And if Ritchie Douglas doesn't make it at the Crows this year, grab him with both hands.
Fantastic footballer in the SANFL, is a class above the competition. ALso a champion person.
And it would piss off the Crtows fans even more.Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
I've posted this before, but whatever...
We were reportedly interested in Hansen before the 2001 draft and a few early phantom drafts had us taking him with our 2nd pick. We then went and traded that 2nd pick for Daniel Bandy and Hansen would have still been available.
This is the one that really gets on my goat.
I remember where I was when I heard about the Bandy trade - driving up Elgar Rd. The earlier speculation was that we would trade Bandy for Craig Ellis, "fair enough", I thought. Then it comes through on the radio that we had traded Ellis and pick 26 for Bandy and I started punching the steering wheel.Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
[QUOTE=Sockeye Salmon;28173]Del Santo would be nice but would hardly help us with our KP problems.
Maguire is no bigger than Morris (a bit better overhead perhaps).
If we had passed up on Power for a KP,
What do you mean " if we had passed up on Power" ?????
I would take any of Dal Santo, Maguire or Montagna over Power. Power was and will be at North a complete non entity (football wise)
I'm a fan of Morris but Maguire has him covered in just about every department. Maguire can play a Key position. He's more than strong overhead, a good kick and a confident playmaker. He can play up field and construct or even kick goals. Maguire would be a Dog favourite if we had have taken him in that draft.Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
This old one about Power and Del Santo comes up again. Power had just won the Larke Medal. At the time of the draft, Power would have been judged by most to be the better player.
It has been said before that recruitment is not a science. All recruiters are asked to look into a crystal ball and guess the future - you win some you lose some. The important thing is to be sure that the initial judgement has some logic to it - as it did with Power who despite all the criticism will still be a 100 game player.
Yes, I ackowlege that Del Santo has turned into a far better player.Last edited by LostDoggy; 13-03-2008, 12:14 PM.Comment
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Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?
Of course you would. Power's gone.
Del Santo and Montagna are good footballers but my point was they wouldn't help our FP situation.
Even Maguire (who would be handy for the first few rounds this year) isn't the biggest defender going around. He goes alright, but no superstar. Good ordinary player, Jack?Comment
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