Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

[Twodogs]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

all the saints have to do is say they will bid for Cordy and then when it comes down to it they dont. we are right after the saints in the draft pecking order and therefore Cordy would slip down to the 2nd round. it wouldn't be the first time 2 teams have done a secret deal under the table.

Once a club nominates that they are going to select a player who is eligible for F/S then that's it he is their player for that draft pick. They cant nominate and then back out.

The process doesn't work like that. The saints were the only club willing to bid a 1st round pick. A club doesn't bid a 1st round pick because another club hasn't, that doesn't make sense. If we made that deal then lots of clubs would have bid their 2nd round pick. Its not as if the clubs sit at a table and ask each other who is going to put a bid in.

I'm not entirely following what you are saying but it's common knowledge that if St Kilda hadn't nominated Ayce then North were prepared to and from memory so were Adelaide.


I think that you are bagging the nomination system in this sentence;

A club doesn't bid a 1st round pick because another club hasn't, that doesn't make sense. If we made that deal then lots of clubs would have bid their 2nd round pick.

anfo, my objections to the F/S bidding system are well documented on this site. If you can be bothered to look them up I think you'll find we are in furious agreement!

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The thread title is very specific, but to make it a bit clearer for you it's about recruiting (drafting) players not trades. Please stay on the topic.

I do apologise for getting off the topic people but it is my first day on this site and lacking a little eticate. I do think Scotty has made some exceptional draft picks in his time at the dogs. To get Lake @ 70 odd, the well documented 99 class, Boyd & Morris off the rookie list, Higgins @ 11 was GREAT. But to miss out on Franklin is a glaring mistake that we'll have to endure forever. I'm not bagging Ryan Griffin because he is going to be a gun in his own right but Franklin is going to go down as one of the greats.

[Mofra]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

I'm not bagging Ryan Griffin because he is going to be a gun in his own right but Franklin is going to go down as one of the greats.

Hawks didn't select him first pick and the tigers passed up on him twice so I don't think it is that bad a miss as some suggest. With Pods dominating at Werribee we basically couldn't develop tall forwards anyway for a few years there.

Tim Walsh, Sam Power, and Jordan McMahon as first rounders are a far worse outcome than getting Griffen over Franklin.

His record from round 2 onwards would be above average.

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

Hawks didn't select him first pick and the tigers passed up on him twice so I don't think it is that bad a miss as some suggest. With Pods dominating at Werribee we basically couldn't develop tall forwards anyway for a few years there.

Tim Walsh, Sam Power, and Jordan McMahon as first rounders are a far worse outcome than getting Griffen over Franklin.

His record from round 2 onwards would be above average.

I disagree Mofra, buddy kicked 100+ goals last year and with the amount of shots he had he could of kicked 150 & he is only 21 or 22. Only very very special players can do that. So i think it was a mistake & i would never use the tigers to back up any argument. All i can say about the tigers is there recruiting people must have a sense of humour, to pick Oakleigh Nicholls in front of Shaun Higgins.

[Go_Dogs]

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[The Coon Dog]

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ESP was never one of my strong points!

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

ESP was never one of my strong points!

I thought I was on the last page and commented on something that had already been commented on.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

I disagree Mofra, buddy kicked 100+ goals last year and with the amount of shots he had he could of kicked 150 & he is only 21 or 22. Only very very special players can do that. So i think it was a mistake & i would never use the tigers to back up any argument. All i can say about the tigers is there recruiting people must have a sense of humour, to pick Oakleigh Nicholls in front of Shaun Higgins.

That was a quality draft - Higgins at 11 is a bit of a steal really, but the 05 draft was deep. Very few failures in that lot.

AFL National Draft held at the end of Season 2005 2005 AFL National Draft Summary

Round Pick Drafted By Player Current Team Games Since Drafted
1 Priority Carlton Marc Murphy Carlton 76
2 Priority Collingwood Dale Thomas Collingwood 79
3 Priority Hawthorn Xavier Ellis Hawthorn 47
1 4 Carlton Joshua Kennedy West Coast 42
1 5 Collingwood Scott Pendlebury Collingwood 73
1 6 Hawthorn Beau Dowler Hawthorn 14
1 7 Essendon Patrick Ryder Essendon 71
1 8 Richmond Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond 13
1 9 Brisbane Mitchell Clark Brisbane 41
1 10 Fremantle Marcus Drum Fremantle 19
1 11 Western Bulldogs Shaun Higgins Western Bulldogs 47
1 12 Melbourne Nathan Jones Melbourne 68
1 13 West Coast Shannon Hurn West Coast 55
1 14 Hawthorn Grant Birchall Hawthorn 81
1 15 Geelong Travis Varcoe Geelong 52
1 16 Adelaide Richard Douglas Adelaide 53
1 17 Adelaide Darren Pfeiffer Carlton 7
1 18 Hawthorn Max Bailey Hawthorn 4
1 19 Essendon Courtenay Dempsey Essendon 28
2 20 Carlton Paul Bower Carlton 41
2 21 Collingwood Danny Stanley Collingwood 5

Compare it to 03

Round Pick Drafted By Player Current Team Games Since Drafted
1 Priority Western Bulldogs Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 129
2 Priority Carlton Andrew Walker Carlton 83
3 Priority Melbourne Colin Sylvia Melbourne 84
1 4 Western Bulldogs Farren Ray St Kilda 94
1 5 Melbourne Brock McLean Melbourne 91
1 6 Essendon Kepler Bradley Fremantle 70
1 7 Geelong Kane Tenace Geelong 59
1 8 St Kilda Raphael Clarke St Kilda 51
1 9 North Melbourne David Trotter 7
1 10 Fremantle Ryley Dunn 8
1 11 West Coast Beau Waters West Coast 61
1 12 Fremantle Ryan Murphy Fremantle 47
1 13 Essendon Brent Stanton Essendon 117
1 14 Adelaide Fergus Watts 6
1 15 Port Adelaide Troy Chaplin Port Adelaide 78
1 16 Sydney Josh Willoughby 0
1 17 Collingwood Billy Morrison 0
1 18 Brisbane Llane Spaanderman 3
2 19 Fremantle David Mundy Fremantle 105
2 20 West Coast Sam Butler West Coast 58

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

That was a quality draft - Higgins at 11 is a bit of a steal really, but the 05 draft was deep. Very few failures in that lot.

Your right it was a quality draft. I remember the Herald-Sun the day of the draft & reading that the hot tip was Higgins was going at number 2 for Collingwood. I then went on the net and saw that Shaun had slipped down to us and I was very very happy. I might be biased but I think he is the pick out of that lot.

[ledge]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

I have no doubt Higgins is way better than The "doubting"Thomas who Collingwood took instead, even if he has played more games.

[Desipura]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

What I find disappointing is that we pick up an ex rugby player in Williams who is still learning how to read the play (not having a go at him)
Then I see an ex baskelballer in Tippet who not only has a strong pair of hands, reads the play as if he has been playing the game for a long time.
Barry Hall retires and they say Sydney will need to pick up another forward in the future. From what I can see they have one in Jesse White who also can take a strong grab. These guys have had made an impact early in their careers, why do we not have such luck, or is it due to the type we recruit?

Should we looking at ex basketballers as opposed to ex rugby players whose peripheral vision initially is not as strong? Baskeballers not only have good peripheral vision, they also have sticky fingers. Of course there are hits and misses........
Just annoys me how one club can discover a key forward out of nowhere then there is us.
I would us much rather rookie a tall strong kpp as opposed to a small tagging type of player. This applies to NSW scholarships as well. (I know we have Shaw although he is a ruckman)

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

Remember the advertisements for the non alcoholic 'beverage' Clayton's?
Jack Thompson, I believe featured in them.

"'Claytons' the drink for when you're not having a drink"

Well I think we have a case of "Clayton's Talls."

" The talls for when you're not having a tall"

Aside from Brian Lake, Clayton's eye for tall players is woeful.

I won't name names because the list is so long and you've heard them all before,

But my big fear now is that Everitt, Grant & Williams will just add to the list of "Clayton's Talls"

Someone please tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE!

[Mofra]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

But my big fear now is that Everitt, Grant & Williams will just add to the list of "Clayton's Talls"

Someone please tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE!

Williams is a 23 yo playing CHB, has the athleticism & size (although not the football smarts). I'd persist with him.
Everitt is the one that worries me, he's "ok" in positions but doesn't own any of them. Just doesn't seem angry enough when he's beaten.
Grant is physically a work in progress, everything else is there IMO. He seems pretty hard on himself at Willy which I think is a good sign for the upcoming pre-season.

[Mantis]

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Barry Hall retires and they say Sydney will need to pick up another forward in the future. From what I can see they have one in Jesse White who also can take a strong grab. These guys have had made an impact early in their careers, why do we not have such luck, or is it due to the type we recruit?

The 1st time I saw Jesse White was in a pre-season game against us in Manuka some 3 years ago (the same game when M.Lynch kicked 3 goals). Sydney have been crying out for someone to give Hall a chop out since this time. Bar a game a few weeks back where he kicked 4 goals he has made no impact at AFL level so I don't see how you can include him as your example.

[Desipura]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The 1st time I saw Jesse White was in a pre-season game against us in Manuka some 3 years ago (the same game when M.Lynch kicked 3 goals). Sydney have been crying out for someone to give Hall a chop out since this time. Bar a game a few weeks back where he kicked 4 goals he has made no impact at AFL level so I don't see how you can include him as your example.

Do you think Hall may have stunted Whites growth? I suggest you watch the game against St Kilda 2 weeks back, kicked 3 missed a few, kicked the last goal of the game. Looked ok again on Sunday allbeit against Richmond.