Michael Talia

[Mofra]

Re: Michael Talia

If Rucci takes this up then Adelaide may as well plead guilty now

No, I expect everyone to be cleared about 30 seconds after draft names start being read out to sweep it all under the carpet.

More chance of Liam Jones winning the Coleman than the AFL taking any real action.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

[Twodogs]

Re: Michael Talia

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

Well said PP. Sometimes it's worth the physical pain just so that it doesn't eat away at you.

[Bornadog]

Re: Michael Talia

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

Unfortunately we have rolled over many times due to pressure from the AFL. Let's see what the current regime do.

[Greystache]

Re: Michael Talia

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

It's fine to take that view in isolation, but as with any good dictatorship, there are brutal consequences handed out to anyone who publicly questions authority. This is well known to the clubs, and depending on the individual club's position in the hierarchy, they are applied on an uneven basis. Dictatorships take away people's lives for subordination, the AFL does effectively the same thing by removing opportunities to be financially self-sustainable.

We could take a stand and call out the absurdity of the AFL's findings, just like a reporter could challenge Kim Jon Il's claim he got 9 hole in ones the first time he played golf, but it wouldn't be telling the half intelligent people anything they didn't already know, and retribution would be swift. In North Korea it means death for you and your family, in the AFL for a club like ours it means no prime time fixtures for the next 5 years and 12 Sunday twilight games against interstate teams, which is akin to the same thing.

AFL clubs are prisoners to a dictator, sure some get more freedom than others, but no one is free. And like all dictatorships, the macro economy will inevitably decline, while headquarters boast about the incredible micro economic returns they're generating.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

It's fine to take that view in isolation, but as with any good dictatorship, there are brutal consequences handed out to anyone who publicly questions authority. This is well known to the clubs, and depending on the individual club's position in the hierarchy, they are applied on an uneven basis. Dictatorships take away people's lives for subordination, the AFL does effectively the same thing by removing opportunities to be financially self-sustainable.

We could take a stand and call out the absurdity of the AFL's findings, just like a reporter could challenge Kim Jon Il's claim he got 9 hole in ones the first time he played golf, but it wouldn't be telling the half intelligent people anything they didn't already know, and retribution would be swift. In North Korea it means death for you and your family, in the AFL for a club like ours it means no prime time fixtures for the next 5 years and 12 Sunday twilight games against interstate teams, which is akin to the same thing.

AFL clubs are prisoners to a dictator, sure some get more freedom than others, but no one is free. And like all dictatorships, the macro economy will inevitably decline, while headquarters boast about the incredible micro economic returns they're generating.

This is exactly the thought process hollow dictators require. If the clubs believe they are powerless serviles, then that's what they are.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Michael Talia

Wow shock horror Michael " lost his phone" and Daniel deleted the message .
Incredible coincidence .
Of course the afl will "negotiate" a well worded end to this saga . They always do

[Greystache]

Re: Michael Talia

This is exactly the thought process hollow dictators require. If the clubs believe they are powerless serviles, then that's what they are.

The clubs, especially the weaker clubs, are totally powerless. The power lies with the fans and their feet and wallets.

A club speaking out is about as effective as one man stepping out of place in a crowd and being shot.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

The clubs, especially the weaker clubs, are totally powerless. The power lies with the fans and their feet and wallets.

A club speaking out is about as effective as one man stepping out of place in a crowd and being shot.

Just have to agree to disagree I guess. To me, the AFL commission are autocrats employed by the clubs. The power is all perceived. There are occasions when clubs can civilly question hollow authority when decisions are plainly questionable. The perception of powerlessness is the issue that needs to be addressed first.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Michael Talia

I sent this to the AFL marketing and communications people:

"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your work with our great game. There is an issue challenging the integrity of our great game. Perceived lack of integrity is akin to cancer in that it can take down the mighty, the magnificent, the dastardly and the precious equally. Essendon is nearly a dirty word. Talia threatens. As a Bulldogs member and forum member as well as an AFL fan focus participant, I am open to a lot of cynicism about the AFL's handling of the Talia brothers alleged transfer of sensitive information, the expected cover up and whitewash, as evidenced by the lost mobile phone, the admitted deletion of the relevant message and "Apparently, the case file cannot be closed because the AFL, Bulldogs and Crows - and probably the legal and management teams working on the Talias’ behalf - cannot reach agreement on the wording of the findings and the associated press release.
Surely not. Negotiated findings - and scripted statements?"

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-investigation-into-talia-brothers-has-fallen-into-a-farce-of-negotiated-statements-says-michelangelo-rucci/news-story/583ac1cc63f6ea9c749ebcc62d0c201c

This issue eats at the integrity of the AFL who need to be seen to be addressing it and not just covering it up. On one of the websites there is this image:
(Adelaide Connection's image, but not identified)

The AFL should not be seen to be sweeping the issue under the carpet but rather dealing with the issue of sharing of confidential information between employees of rival clubs/companies. Our great AFL should not suffer because of an employee's misguided transfer of information. The other parties, especially the allegedly offended Western Bulldogs should not have to shoulder the alleged action of Michael Talia.
Integrity must be part of the AFL image, just as the Olympics had to survive the actions of Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong etc..."

Having said that, I do believe it is the AFL who are the party most likely to be adversely affected by all of this, even if they are agents in their own suffering. The Bulldogs will not lose credibility because the whitewash will be seen for what it is. Someone should buy Kyle Cheney a beer, even though he was human enough to shy at the effect his information about Talia's exposure of confidential information would stir up. It is very tough being the bearer of stinky public information.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

Love your work BIDS54. Would be fascinated to hear their response.

[Murphy'sLore]

Re: Michael Talia

"Thank you for your concern. Rest assured, we have the matter in hand and will deal with it in an appropriate and timely manner in the interest of all stakeholders.

Yours sincerely, etc"

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Michael Talia

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html

[Scraggers]

Re: Michael Talia

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...23-gl5lns.html

Just read this ... bloody hell, suddenly it's all our fault

[Bornadog]

Re: Michael Talia

"Thank you for your concern. Rest assured, we have the matter in hand and will deal with it in an appropriate and timely manner in the interest of all stakeholders.

Yours sincerely, etc"

or complete Silence, ie no response.