Michael Talia

[Testekill]

Re: Michael Talia

And it turns out that Josh Gibson was the other Hawthorn player that informed Beveridge about what Cheney had told Stratton.

[jeemak]

Re: Michael Talia

And it turns out that Josh Gibson was the other Hawthorn player that informed Beveridge about what Cheney had told Stratton.

This Cheney fellow must do an Elliot Goblet worthy dead pan.

[Scraggers]

Re: Michael Talia

So am I allowed to boo :-
a) Talia
b) Cheney

????

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Michael Talia

Apparently the writer of this Mick Warner lost his AFEL accreditation a while ago, not sure when. go get em brother

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/josh-gibson-tipped-off-western-bulldogs-about-alleged-information-sharing-between-michael-and-daniel-talia/news-story/2cc71c60222dbc8b5ee48d388220a9dd&memtype=anonymous

Josh Gibson tipped off Western Bulldogs about alleged information sharing between Michael and Daniel Talia

THREE-time premiership star Josh Gibson was the first Hawthorn player to tip-off Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge about the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by Michael and Daniel Talia.

It emerged on Friday Gibson phoned Beveridge on Monday, September 14 — two days after the Dogs’ seven-point elimination final loss to Adelaide at the MCG — to inform him of allegations made by Crows defender Kyle Cheney.

A concerned Gibson made the call to Beveridge after discussing the claims with teammate Ben Stratton, who had spoken to Cheney on the morning after the Bulldogs-Crows final on September 12.

Gibson and Stratton had become friends with Beveridge during his days as an assistant coach at the Hawks and felt obligated to pass on what they had heard.

After another conversation with Stratton, Cheney called Beveridge on September 14 to discuss his allegation that Crows defender Daniel Talia had received tactical details from his brother, Dogs defender Michael Talia, before the match.

As revealed in Friday’s Herald Sun, Cheney did not tell Beveridge that he was joking about the allegation during that phone call or during a second conversation on September 17.

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Beveridge, a former staffer with financial intelligence agency AUSTRAC, was interviewed by the AFL integrity unit about his recollections of his conversations with Cheney, Stratton and Gibson.

The Bulldogs coach and club bosses are believed to be deeply disappointed by the outcome of the AFL investigation, which found that Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

The AFL’s summary of findings concluded that Cheney was “in shock on both occasions that he spoke to Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge and was too embarrassed to explain what had occurred”.

It was revealed text messages had been deleted from Daniel Talia’s phone, while Michael Talia lost his phone on an end-of-season trip to Bali.

The league said it had opted not to use its powers to obtain the deleted text messages via Daniel Talia’s mobile phone provider.

“The AFL is very satisfied with the evidence and outcome of the investigation. There was no need to further investigate,” a league spokesperson said.

Hawthorn declined to comment on the roles played by Gibson and Stratton in the Talia saga which took 63 days to investigate and tested 16 witnesses.


BARKING MAD

How the Talia tip-off unfolded:

September 12: Adelaide defeat the Western Bulldogs by seven points in the second elimination final at the MCG.

September 13: Crows defender Kyle Cheney tells friend and Hawthorn rival Ben Stratton about the use of “game-sensitive” information in the previous night’s final provided to Adelaide’s Daniel Talia from his brother, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia.

September 14: Hawthorn defender Josh Gibson calls Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge after speaking to Stratton and informs him of Cheney’s comments.

September 16: Beveridge speaks to Stratton, Cheney calls Beveridge and Cheney speaks to Crows football boss David Noble.

September 17: Beveridge calls Cheney and for a second time the Adelaide defender did not say he was joking.

September 22: The Bulldogs formally ask the AFL to investigate.

October 22: Michael Talia is traded from the Bulldogs to Sydney.

November 25: After a 63-day investigation the AFL releases its summary of findings, declaring Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

November 26: The Bulldogs release a statement saying they are “troubled by certain aspects” of the AFL’s investigation.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

Apparently the writer of this Mick Warner has already lost his AFEL accreditation, go get em brother

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/josh-gibson-tipped-off-western-bulldogs-about-alleged-information-sharing-between-michael-and-daniel-talia/news-story/2cc71c60222dbc8b5ee48d388220a9dd&memtype=anonymous

Josh Gibson tipped off Western Bulldogs about alleged information sharing between Michael and Daniel Talia

THREE-time premiership star Josh Gibson was the first Hawthorn player to tip-off Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge about the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by Michael and Daniel Talia.

It emerged on Friday Gibson phoned Beveridge on Monday, September 14 — two days after the Dogs’ seven-point elimination final loss to Adelaide at the MCG — to inform him of allegations made by Crows defender Kyle Cheney.

A concerned Gibson made the call to Beveridge after discussing the claims with teammate Ben Stratton, who had spoken to Cheney on the morning after the Bulldogs-Crows final on September 12.

Gibson and Stratton had become friends with Beveridge during his days as an assistant coach at the Hawks and felt obligated to pass on what they had heard.

After another conversation with Stratton, Cheney called Beveridge on September 14 to discuss his allegation that Crows defender Daniel Talia had received tactical details from his brother, Dogs defender Michael Talia, before the match.

As revealed in Friday’s Herald Sun, Cheney did not tell Beveridge that he was joking about the allegation during that phone call or during a second conversation on September 17.

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Beveridge, a former staffer with financial intelligence agency AUSTRAC, was interviewed by the AFL integrity unit about his recollections of his conversations with Cheney, Stratton and Gibson.

The Bulldogs coach and club bosses are believed to be deeply disappointed by the outcome of the AFL investigation, which found that Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

The AFL’s summary of findings concluded that Cheney was “in shock on both occasions that he spoke to Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge and was too embarrassed to explain what had occurred”.

It was revealed text messages had been deleted from Daniel Talia’s phone, while Michael Talia lost his phone on an end-of-season trip to Bali.

The league said it had opted not to use its powers to obtain the deleted text messages via Daniel Talia’s mobile phone provider.

“The AFL is very satisfied with the evidence and outcome of the investigation. There was no need to further investigate,” a league spokesperson said.

Hawthorn declined to comment on the roles played by Gibson and Stratton in the Talia saga which took 63 days to investigate and tested 16 witnesses.


BARKING MAD

How the Talia tip-off unfolded:

September 12: Adelaide defeat the Western Bulldogs by seven points in the second elimination final at the MCG.

September 13: Crows defender Kyle Cheney tells friend and Hawthorn rival Ben Stratton about the use of “game-sensitive” information in the previous night’s final provided to Adelaide’s Daniel Talia from his brother, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia.

September 14: Hawthorn defender Josh Gibson calls Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge after speaking to Stratton and informs him of Cheney’s comments.

September 16: Beveridge speaks to Stratton, Cheney calls Beveridge and Cheney speaks to Crows football boss David Noble.

September 17: Beveridge calls Cheney and for a second time the Adelaide defender did not say he was joking.

September 22: The Bulldogs formally ask the AFL to investigate.

October 22: Michael Talia is traded from the Bulldogs to Sydney.

November 25: After a 63-day investigation the AFL releases its summary of findings, declaring Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

November 26: The Bulldogs release a statement saying they are “troubled by certain aspects” of the AFL’s investigation.

FFS. Beyond absurd.

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Michael Talia

FFS. Beyond absurd.

Sorry I didn't mean he lost it over this story, edited my original post in case it was be taken that way.
On a side note it's ridiculous that they can accredit reporters and deny access to non-accredited ones, the AFEL's own little propoganda machine, makes me sick

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Michael Talia

Einstein once declared if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. The Einsteins running the AFL don't understand the subtle context in which he made that declaration.

Think about it like this. You're out past midnight and your friend or person you're chatting to is boasting about their wealth, sex life or social networks etc. They're clearly lying through their teeth. Everyone knows it's BS, including them. But you don't get angry, it's pointless, so you do quite the opposite. You let them make a fool of themselves by continuing to let them keep digging that embarassing hole because the entire world knows it's BS. They get so busy huffing up, making themselves look like a bigger tool and start using a lie to cover another lie and their embarrassment (whether they feel it or not) is reward enough to not get angry or argue. The satisfaction that they're a dickhead and anyone with a half a brain knows it too is enough. In this example, the AFL and anyone sprouting their lines are the dickheads because even lobotomised lab rats don't accept the findings. Take solace in it. What would've a two match suspension or $5000 fine to Tahleeya for a small finding of guilt this week changed about the course of action we took 2 months ago? Nothing is the answer.

If you want to do something, email Bevo and PG at the club a one line email telling them you respect and back them and their actions and thank them for it. I'm sure they'd appreciate that most of all.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Michael Talia

Sorry I didn't mean he lost it over this story, edited my original post in case it was be taken that way.
On a side note it's ridiculous that they can accredit reporters and deny access to non-accredited ones, the AFEL's own little propoganda machine, makes me sick

If you take the mass murder out of the analogy, this exact behaviour worked very well for Joseph Goebels.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Michael Talia

This is a absolute Joke how can the AFL let them get away with this

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Michael Talia

This is a absolute Joke how can the AFL let them get away with this

You mean how can they let the AFL get away with this.

[jeemak]

Re: Michael Talia

Sorry, was that article above a genuine piss take or a genuine article?

If it's the latter, I think we're in for a big week. Now the draft and rookie draft's are over and done with, I think this story will receive a little bit more attention.

Let's look at some key points:

- The AFL takes two months to investigate the claims
- The AFL buckles under concern from all parties and doesn't release the findings four days out from the National Draft
- The AFL releases its findings the day after the draft
- The AFL subsequent to its findings, has multiple news agencies advising its findings are bogus
- The AFL.............what's next? It's only day three from the initial publication of the initial findings

Grab the popcorn folks, this one's growing legs. I'd hate to be the low level lackey taking the fall for this once it's all said and done.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

So during the conversations between Bevo and Cheney, there are three options for what could have been discussed in my opinion:

1. Cheney admits that he told Stratton that the Talia's exchanged info.
2. Cheney admits that he did tell Stratton that the Talia's exchanged info but was only joking.
3. Cheney tells Bevo that the conversation with Stratton didn't even happen.

Pretty fair to say that option 2 did not occur and you could rightly assume that option 3 didn't occur either. My guess is that Cheney made a bad judgement call in telling somebody he thought would keep it to himself.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Michael Talia

So far 2 journos have indicated they are prepared to probe a little rather than tow the company line, Rucci and Warner, will be interesting to see who else is prepared to stick their necks out. They must all smell a rat.

[Twodogs]

Re: Michael Talia

Sorry, was that article above a genuine piss take or a genuine article?

If it's the latter, I think we're in for a big week. Now the draft and rookie draft's are over and done with, I think this story will receive a little bit more attention.

Let's look at some key points:

- The AFL takes two months to investigate the claims
- The AFL buckles under concern from all parties and doesn't release the findings four days out from the National Draft
- The AFL releases its findings the day after the draft
- The AFL subsequent to its findings, has multiple news agencies advising its findings are bogus
- The AFL.............what's next? It's only day three from the initial publication of the initial findings

Grab the popcorn folks, this one's growing legs. I'd hate to be the low level lackey taking the fall for this once it's all said and done.

The way the AFL subtly lurch from one pole to another thinking they are reacting to public opinion I wouldn't be suprised if a burning at the stake in the middle of Etihad (or the MCG depending on ticket sales) is their solution.

[KT31]

Re: Michael Talia

This whole saga is getting beyond belief, when are the AFL going to learn to stop treating supporters like imbeciles and start telling the truth ?
I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.