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Obviously the below average forward entries are killing us. Our defence is responsible for our great percentage with 'points against', however our 'points for' is the lowest of the top 12 on the ladder. So I pose the question, what's our best forward set up look like this year?
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
Boyd, Dickson, Stringer, resting ruck & midfielders
No coincidence our forward line inefficiency against Brisbane and Hawthorn has coincided with Boyd's injuryIf you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
I would stick with Boyd at full forward as much as possible. And why not try Redpath at CHF? We need to kick more goals and he is a good kick. Stringer and Daniel to play either side of him. Dickson in the pocket beside Boyd and Jong on the other side.[URL="http://journals.worldnomads.com/merantau"]http://journals.worldnomads.com/merantau[/URL]
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
The numerous mid rotations through the forward line makes this difficult. Also Crameri in next season.
Here is what I would like to see this season when we are in need of goals:
HF: Bont, String, Dahl
FF: Dicko, Boyd, TobyComment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
To turn the question slightly how much has losing Crameri affected us this year?They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.Comment
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But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
Other than Tom Boyd, I would love another tall in the forward line but we just don't seem to have anyone putting up their hand.FFC: Established 1883
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.Comment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
Enormously. I watched the North game back from last year and the amount of work he puts in really can't be overstated. His absence has cost us a lot more than 30-odd goals, it's left Stringer in purgatory and we haven't really endeavoured to replace him.- I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -Comment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
Hamling was named forward in the VFL but I couldn't get there. Did he play forward at all and if so how did he go? We really need one of Roberts, Hamling or Boyd at FF and if this is not possible TC to play serious minutes there. I'd almost ruck Roughie for large periods of the game and play TC as a key forward. He'll clunk a few and also bring the ball to ground.But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
Been thinking about this since Friday. To me there are 3 "general" ways we score goals in 2015-2016 football -
1. Quick break through the centre (usually from turnover) and forwards run towards goal onto the ball. On Friday this was way down due to absence of key players (high half backs) who break through the middle (Murph Suckers JJ) and their replacements not being that fast break sort of player (Wood, Adams, Hunter). Also missing Crameri for these who is good at gut running back into forward line.
2. Long kicks into forward line, mark it and goal or lock it in and score a goal from stoppage. This was poor against North as noone doing the mark it/contest the mark and bring it down to the ground role very well - Boyd injured, Redpath not picked, not Jake's strength. Also North defenders good at defending this style of attack. This style does not work when Bailey Dale vs two North defenders is on the end of the long kick!
3. "Traditional' lead up forward hit on the chest. Didn't work on Friday night as our ball movement was poor (similar reasons to goal coring style 1 above), it was a highly contested style game, there were less centre bounces (due to less goals than average for both sides) and North were good at getting back in defence.
Now to me picking Boyd or Redpath is a must to improve that No 2 way of scoring goals. It was our main way in the first half of the year last year until the Jake/Tory/Cramerrs combo found its groove.Alternately our resting ruck man (Campell and Roughy) need to improve out of sight as forwards and I can't see that happening. Between them they missed 3 sitters on Friday so they can do it but not as good or have as much potential as Boyd/Redpath.
To improve kicking goals technique No 1 needs better and quicker movement through the middle/from half back and we can't just wait for JJ/Suckers to return. The high half backs need to get on their bikes like Bob does. Could Lin Jong be the man for the role? Disposal not great but his first instinct is to go forward. MBOyd could do it and did it a bit on Friday although we'll get burnt by his turnovers at times. Webb? Probably not ready for such a crucial role and seems a bit out of favour. Return of Caleb Daniel will help this way of attacking.But whoever it is getting back to more run and gun out of defence will help with this avenue to goal.Comment
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Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?
It's hurt because he plays as an in between tall and mid, and we have been replacing him with smaller players, leaving Stringer often as our only tall, or Stringer and Boyd, or even just Bonts.
I think Redpath needs to play in his place, not as the only tall but with Boyd and Stringer as our starting three key options in a game.
That way when Boyd needs to go in the ruck we have more than just Stringer as a forward option.Comment
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