So. What's our best forward set up look like?

[1eyedog]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

I like it too. If we want Boyd at FF for long minutes we need to play Roughie and Campbell. But what to do with the other while one rucks...

[Go_Dogs]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

I like it too. If we want Boyd at FF for long minutes we need to play Roughie and Campbell. But what to do with the other while one rucks...

Against certain sides where we can perhaps send Roughead back and/or Campbell forward it should work, but that kind of set up may be reliant upon an opposition side with a number of tall forwards or a side who plays a resting ruck forward for large patches.

It wouldn't work against the Crows this weekend, because despite Jenkins being suitable on paper, he's far too quick and mobile a match up for Roughead. If Geelong are still playing Zac Smith forward for long periods, they could be a team it works against. Sydney too, albeit their structure may change with Sinclair being injured.

That's my long-winded way of saying it won't be a sensible approach every week.

[bulldogtragic]

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If Collins, Adams, Cordy, Hamling, Wood and our flankers are our best backline. And Roughead is proving to be a poor forward, missing from 10m out is unacceptable. Then Roughead has to be the number one ruckman and Campbell the resting ruck forward. If Roughead isn't in our best defence, and not best forward line. If he isn't the best ruck, then he's trade bait or a depth player.

[1eyedog]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

Against certain sides where we can perhaps send Roughead back and/or Campbell forward it should work, but that kind of set up may be reliant upon an opposition side with a number of tall forwards or a side who plays a resting ruck forward for large patches.

It wouldn't work against the Crows this weekend, because despite Jenkins being suitable on paper, he's far too quick and mobile a match up for Roughead. If Geelong are still playing Zac Smith forward for long periods, they could be a team it works against. Sydney too, albeit their structure may change with Sinclair being injured.

That's my long-winded way of saying it won't be a sensible approach every week.

So either way Boyd will still need to ruck as the need arises. Does Jenkins ever ruck or does Jacobs ruck entire matches with Tex and Jenkins as their two full-time forwards?

One thing I liked about Will is he could ruck the entire game.

[soupman]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

If Collins, Adams, Cordy, Hamling, Wood and our flankers are our best backline. And Roughead is proving to be a poor forward, missing from 10m out is unacceptable. Then Roughead has to be the number one ruckman and Campbell the resting ruck forward. If Roughead isn't in our best defence, and not best forward line. If he isn't the best ruck, then he's trade bait or a depth player.

Not like Campbell is the greatest set shot in the side either. His first quarter was atrocious.

Yeah I don't know what the hell he was doing up the ground and why the MC put him there.

He would have been out up the ground to help cover the loss of JJ, Murphy, Suckling and Daniel. All those guys are quick and run with the ball, so with a lack of other player types like that we would have put him up there to generate a bit of run with his pace. It's the same reason Stringer spent more time up the ground early.

[azabob]

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Can Campbell ruck 90% gametime similar to Goldstein?

[Mantis]

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Can Campbell ruck 90% gametime similar to Goldstein?

I don't think so.. Just doesn't have the miles in the legs.. He couldn't keep up with Goldy last week who could have been pretty damaging if he was spotted up.

[Twodogs]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

I don't think so.. Just doesn't have the miles in the legs.. He couldn't keep up with Goldy last week who could have been pretty damaging if he was spotted up.

Yep. Maybe in a few years but not at the moment.

[Mofra]

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Not like Campbell is the greatest set shot in the side either. His first quarter was atrocious.

I was about to say he's a better set shot than Roughy.... but almost every listed player in the competition is a better set shot than Roughy.

[Missing Dog]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

Goldy is the best ruckman going round (AA etc) and I thought we did quite a good job with him last week. He wasn't much of an influence - credit to Roughy and Campbell.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

I made reference in another thread about Redders goal kicking accuracy, and in a different thread Boyds goal kicking accuracy.

Dickson: 75%+ (110.35)
Redders: 70%+ (29.11)
Boyd: 70%+ (29.13)
McLean: 65%+ (13.6)
Stringer: 65%+ (115.65)
Crameri: 60%+ (165.103)

If this is our forwardline next year then I think we can play Redders & Boyd from a scoring perspective. While the stats are limited by the raw numbers, if these guys continue on at these goal kicking accuracy percentages then playing them is to our advantage. If/when we improve our forward entries this forwardline can start to amass many more goals and it's already among the most accurate in the entire competition. We could very well see a big rise in our 'points for' as this year we've seen a huge drop in our 'points against'.

Statistically these 6 as a forwardline team average 66% or two thirds accurate collectively (Tony Locketts personal average 69.74%). If the mids can supply them with 18 shots a game (average of only 3 each per game) then that's 12.6 (78 points) being returned on average per game. Add in 10 points a quarter on average from mids and others and that's 118 points for and we are giving up 68 points a game this year to date. That's a great starting point to slaughter shite teams, but also a good starting point that good teams need to stop 4+ goals a game and get an extra 4+ goals a game out of our defence. That takes some doing against our manic pressure.

So with that in mind Tom Boyd should be spending as much time up front as possible. Redders if in form should play as I'd rather a slightly bigger immobile player kick 3.0 or 2.1 then bring in a smaller player whose accuracy is worse. Redders accuracy makes him more valuable. We just haven't seen too much of it played together at once but I'd like to see it for an extended period this year. And for all of this, our mids and flankers still have a lot of room to improve their forward entries. That's a scary prospect when this happens.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

Dickson & Redders doing their thing in the first with accuracy. They might not be as flexible as other players but career accuracy counts for a lot. Their leading today also allows for Tom Boyd to play deep in the set up and Jake & Bonts wherever with other flankers.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

Need to add in Tom Liberatore into our accurate goal kicking set up.

2016: 11.2 (80+%)
Career: 29.12 (70+%)

That's 4 blokes (20+ games) with career goal kicking accuracy over 70%.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

So I think next year it's:

HF: Crameri Cloke Stringer
F: Dickson Boyd Smith

It's worth noting Stringer & Dickson kicked an impressive 42 & 40 goals this year respectively, often on the best two defenders while Boyd was out of the side. If Boyd can continue to clunk big marks, and Cloke can hit form, then Stringer and Dickson get the added benefit of having lesser defenders. So replicating 40+ goals next year is on the cards for Jake & Tory. Crameri is good for 30 goals when in form (done it 5 years straight). We'd be hoping for 30 or so each from Boyd (nearly a goal a game this year) & Cloke (averaged 1.5 goals this year). Plus a couple from Smith (averaged 1.5 goals this year) and all the others rotating through such as Picken, Bonts (a goal a game this year), Daniel, Dahl, Roughy etc.

I have a feeling we will be a considerably higher scoring team next year.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

So I think next year it's:

HF: Crameri Cloke Stringer
F: Dickson Boyd Smith

It's worth noting Stringer & Dickson kicked an impressive 42 & 40 goals this year respectively, often on the best two defenders while Boyd was out of the side. If Boyd can continue to clunk big marks, and Cloke can hit form, then Stringer and Dickson get the added benefit of having lesser defenders. So replicating 40+ goals next year is on the cards for Jake & Tory. Crameri is good for 30 goals when in form (done it 5 years straight). We'd be hoping for 30 or so each from Boyd (nearly a goal a game this year) & Cloke (averaged 1.5 goals this year). Plus a couple from Smith (averaged 1.5 goals this year) and all the others rotating through such as Picken, Bonts (a goal a game this year), Daniel, Dahl, Roughy etc.

I have a feeling we will be a considerably higher scoring team next year.

That is one hell of a forward line. Even without the KPFs.
Stringer Crameri Dixon and C. Smith. Sheesh...........try stopping all of THEM.