So. What's our best forward set up look like?

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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #16
    Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

    I'm not sold Redpath is our man long term to be the second big forward, or even now. But he would straighten us up a bit in Boyd's absence. I'd like to see Fletch or Hamling given a few weeks to see what it looks like with them in it. But when Boyd rucks we are left without our monster sized forward, so the ruck issue raises up in this conversation now, for me at least. So to change the question for next year, if we have the cash and will to go after a big trade again do we look at a silky smooth gun midfielder or a CHF? Crameri is back too.

    I think Hurley as a free agent, at the risk of getting punched at in the face, could be a dangerous forward if Boyd & Stringer get the best two defenders. Hurley & Crameri get 3rd and 4th defenders, Dickson 5th and rotating smalls around. I guess money is the issue for a list management aspect. Conversely, would Bevo play two massive forwards and two rucks. I can't see that unless it's a case where Roughead rests back, Campbell rests forward and the second Hurley type swings around with the rotations. This is the part of our structures I struggle to get my head around, we need lots of run but when the entries are average or we revert to bombing it we need at least another big body with competency down there. Hawthorn, WCE and Adelaide play similar zone defence with run and carry but have multiple big targets and resting rucks.
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    • Flamethrower
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2009
      • 1387

      #17
      Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

      When Boyd comes back...

      F Stringer Boyd Daniel/McLean
      HF Dickson Adams Dahlhaus

      Before then...

      F Redpath Stringer Daniel/McLean
      HF Dickson Adams Dahlhaus

      I would experiment with Adams at CHF. We need someone to take a contested overhead mark in the forward line, and we could try Collins in the backline at the same time.

      We really need to draft or recruit a "Jack Darling" type, or get a ruckman who can go forward, take a mark and kick a goal. Tom Campbell can do the 1st 2 parts, but his goal kicking has been woeful.
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      • Mantis
        Hall of Fame
        • Apr 2007
        • 15447

        #18
        Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

        Originally posted by Flamethrower

        We really need to draft or recruit a "Jack Darling" type, or get a ruckman who can go forward, take a mark and kick a goal. Tom Campbell can do the 1st 2 parts, but his goal kicking has been woeful.
        Is Crameri a Darling type?

        But I agree we need to develop some young forwards, both medium sized & tall.

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        • Twodogs
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27655

          #19
          Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

          Everyone's goalkicking has been woeful.
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #20
            Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

            Dickson needs to play 100% forward. I know he's been up the ground getting a few kicks, but he's a liability when up the ground.

            We need him forward putting pressure on, leading to the ball and using his body and smarts to create opportunities for us.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66707

              #21
              Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

              Originally posted by Jaytee
              Dickson needs to play 100% forward. I know he's been up the ground getting a few kicks, but he's a liability when up the ground.

              We need him forward putting pressure on, leading to the ball and using his body and smarts to create opportunities for us.
              Yeah I don't know what the hell he was doing up the ground and why the MC put him there.
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              • Mofra
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 14950

                #22
                Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                Originally posted by Flamethrower
                ...or get a ruckman who can go forward, take a mark and kick a goal. Tom Campbell can do the 1st 2 parts, but his goal kicking has been woeful.
                Tom Boyd?

                He rarely gets out-marked forward and is a more than competent ruck. I think his loss has hurt us more than expected.
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                • Bulldog4life
                  WOOF Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 9607

                  #23
                  Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                  We need 2 key forwards. Stringer is not a key forward. We need Boyd and Redders to play as the key forwards. When Boyd is rucking it means we still have a tall presence in the forward line. Jack has only got this year on his contract. Let's give him a good run and see how he goes. If it doesn't work out then we delist him at years end.

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                  • Missing Dog
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8501

                    #24
                    Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                    Originally posted by Bulldog4life
                    We need 2 key forwards. Stringer is not a key forward. We need Boyd and Redders to play as the key forwards. When Boyd is rucking it means we still have a tall presence in the forward line. Jack has only got this year on his contract. Let's give him a good run and see how he goes. If it doesn't work out then we delist him at years end.
                    But I can't see how you can then play Campbell and Roughie too. Too many talls then.

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                    • Bulldog4life
                      WOOF Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 9607

                      #25
                      Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                      Originally posted by Templeton31
                      But I can't see how you can then play Campbell and Roughie too. Too many talls then.
                      I would only play one of Campbell or Roughy with Boyd and Redders.

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                      • lemmon
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 6521

                        #26
                        Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                        What's Roberts like as a forward? He's kicked some clutch goals at other levels and reads the ball well in the air but Ive got no idea what else he'd bring to the setup- certainly not ahead of Redpath

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34289

                          #27
                          Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                          Originally posted by lemmon
                          What's Roberts like as a forward? He's kicked some clutch goals at other levels and reads the ball well in the air but Ive got no idea what else he'd bring to the setup- certainly not ahead of Redpath
                          I'd say it's time to find out with an instruction 'you have three weeks to show us you have it as a forward'. He's going to down the queue when Collins, Adams & Cordy all come on with Wood (Hamling too possibly) and flankers.
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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10152

                            #28
                            Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                            I'd really like to see the following six players up forward:

                            Boyd
                            Daniel
                            Dickson
                            Honeychurch
                            McLean
                            Stringer

                            Honeychurch and Boyd can work well in tandem, with Honey perhaps our most likely to be successful in the tenacious small forward role.

                            Dickson and Stringer can kick multiple goals.

                            McLean and Daniel offer points of difference and combine good game sense and skill.
                            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                            • lemmon
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 6521

                              #29
                              Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                              Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                              I'd really like to see the following six players up forward:

                              Boyd
                              Daniel
                              Dickson
                              Honeychurch
                              McLean
                              Stringer

                              Honeychurch and Boyd can work well in tandem, with Honey perhaps our most likely to be successful in the tenacious small forward role.

                              Dickson and Stringer can kick multiple goals.

                              McLean and Daniel offer points of difference and combine good game sense and skill.
                              I like it. One ruckman or two with this set up?

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                              • Go_Dogs
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 10152

                                #30
                                Re: So. What's our best forward set up look like?

                                Originally posted by lemmon
                                I like it. One ruckman or two with this set up?
                                I'm not sure on the answer to this.

                                Ideally we can keep Boyd forward for the majority of the game, but I'm not adverse to operating a smaller forward line once we have our better runners/users in the 22 (my thinking being we won't be kicking long to a hot spot as regularly), meaning Boyd can take a turn in the ruck when required.

                                On the other side, I'd like to see us try Roughead, Campbell and Boyd in the same team for a few weeks once we leave Etihad.
                                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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