Goalkicking

[ledge]

Re: Goalkicking

We had Eddie Betts down, one of the best in the business then we pull out 15.20 .
You could get Tony Lockett and Jason Dunstall down and we would kick even worse.
Maybe try reverse psychology and get Will Minson or Patrick Dangerfield down when he retires.
Show us not how to kick it naturally.

[comrade]

Re: Goalkicking

We had Eddie Betts down, one of the best in the business then we pull out 15.20 .
You could get Tony Lockett and Jason Dunstall down and we would kick even worse.
Maybe try reverse psychology and get Will Minson or Patrick Dangerfield down when he retires.
Show us not how to kick it naturally.

It?s not a once off fix where Eddie Betts can come in and kick a footy through a doorway and show us his technique and all of a sudden Marra isn?t leaning back and starts flushing them.

It has to be a day in, day out focus if we identify it as an issue that needs improving.

I?ve gone full nuff and dived into models and numbers this week. Conversion % doesn?t actually correlate that highly to expected wins for a footy team. Scoring shots is actually much more indicative, which we?re very high on this year.

That said, we don?t play best of 5, best of 7 finals series and luck can play a big part in result. Good conversion minimises the luck factor and I?ll be sick if we dominate a final but kick 8.17 to 11.3.

[Sedat]

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Who?s more eloquent? Selwood or Jobe ?better to die wondering? Watson?

You can add Cotchin to the list. Ch 7 just have no idea about any aspect of footy broadcasting, and especially picking good media talent from the recently retired ranks. And when they occasionally get it right (Bartel) they have zero idea how to harness the talent at their disposal, as evidenced by Bartel become a very sharp media commentator and analyst on Ch 9.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Goalkicking

We had Eddie Betts down, one of the best in the business then we pull out 15.20 .
You could get Tony Lockett and Jason Dunstall down and we would kick even worse.
Maybe try reverse psychology and get Will Minson or Patrick Dangerfield down when he retires.
Show us not how to kick it naturally.

We don't need those guys we have VDM and McNeil already in house.

[ledge]

Re: Goalkicking

We don't need those guys we have VDM and McNeil already in house.

Good point. I definitely think McNeill looks at both posts and not something behind the goals and being a short arse can’t see over the bloke on the mark ;-)

[Happy Days]

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Who?s more eloquent? Selwood or Jobe ?better to die wondering? Watson?

Jobe sounds more like he hasn?t worked out to get past his nervous energy on air, Selwood sounds genuinely concerning and like he?s been put in the box at the insistence of the AFL to stave off another lawsuit.

[josie]

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Whatever Gilbee had I doubt it could be taught, he was a natural.

I think we are underselling Brad Johnson here. He has put years of work into his goal kicking coaching techniques before putting them into practice this season. The jury is still out as to whether it has helped but it's got to be a better chance of succeeding that bringing an old player down that used to be a good kick to say do what I do.

Agree. To my eye Johnno has improved our goal kicking technique. When players miss especially Marra they aren?t spraying them as much as they were. Naughts & West have definitely improved. We still have a lot of room for improvement though. I?d love someone to do an analysis of Bont in his first year or two when he was a reasonably accurate set shot compared to now. When he is within 30m kicking for goal I cringe & look away & pray.

[jeemak]

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Agree. To my eye Johnno has improved our goal kicking technique. When players miss especially Marra they aren?t spraying them as much as they were. Naughts & West have definitely improved. We still have a lot of room for improvement though. I?d love someone to do an analysis of Bont in his first year or two when he was a reasonably accurate set shot compared to now. When he is within 30m kicking for goal I cringe & look away & pray.

Bont's kicking is style over substance. It looks amazing when it comes off but doesn't often enough.

When he's field kicking or kicking from distance his left to right leg swing across the ball is good enough because he leans more over the footy with momentum. When he's having a closer shot at goal he leans further back and it makes him slap the ball left a lot of the time.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Goalkicking

It’s a ****ing joke and we will continue shitting the bed until we actually address it.

[Mitcha]

Re: Goalkicking

It is and has been an issue for far too long and regrettably it looks as though no one other than us supporters seem to give a toss. Pisses me off and as much as I dislike him take a look at Jeremy Cameron's first set shot at goal in Perth yesterday. Stuck on the boundary on the wrong side for a left footer but never looked like missing and got the all important confidence booster on the road. Sadly we don't have anyone near capable of setting standards like that.

[jazzadogs]

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It’s a ****ing joke and we will continue shitting the bed until we actually address it.

I mean...we tried didn't we? Just obviously got the wrong kicking coach...but we did bring someone in specifically to improve this aspect of the game.

It sh**s me to tears that we still miss so many GETTABLE shots, but when you've got guys like Darcy 1.6 today and Weightman 0.6 over the past three weeks who are usually reliable - how does that get fixed?

[bulldogtragic]

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I mean...we tried didn't we? Just obviously got the wrong kicking coach...but we did bring someone in specifically to improve this aspect of the game.

It sh**s me to tears that we still miss so many GETTABLE shots, but when you've got guys like Darcy 1.6 today and Weightman 0.6 over the past three weeks who are usually reliable - how does that get fixed?

Johnno is a part timer. Sure we’ve tried something. But I’d rather a fundraiser for a proper more intense goal kicking coach.

[jeemak]

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I mean...we tried didn't we? Just obviously got the wrong kicking coach...but we did bring someone in specifically to improve this aspect of the game.

It sh**s me to tears that we still miss so many GETTABLE shots, but when you've got guys like Darcy 1.6 today and Weightman 0.6 over the past three weeks who are usually reliable - how does that get fixed?

The players need to be accountable at some point.

Most goal kicking coaching is going to be the same and it really wouldn't matter who you get in unless you're dealing with players who have absolutely dreadful techniques.

Our players just need to be better.

[Grantysghost]

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Johnno is a part timer. Sure we?ve tried something. But I?d rather a fundraiser for a proper more intense goal kicking coach.

The Naughton one early. My god that's a local footballers dream shot. Any forward who is a reasonable kick swallows those. He missed by miles it went at right angles off his boot. He's been better this year granted, however his kicking for goal is inheritently flawed and can't be fixed.

[bulldogtragic]

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The Naughton one early. My god that's a local footballers dream shot. Any forward who is a reasonable kick swallows those. He missed by miles it went at right angles off his boot. He's been better this year granted, however his kicking for goal is inheritently flawed and can't be fixed.

We’ll get used to the next 7 years watching it. It won’t get better. He won’t go into defence. He won’t be traded. He looks better working up the ground, but I agree that he just misses far too many very, very gettable ones.