Half Way Through The Trade Period - Where Are We Headed?

[GVGjr]

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As it stands we have picks 18, 35, 43 and 61 (and irrelevant lower picks with no points value).

Presumably we'll get further 2nd/3rd round picks for Stevens and Hrovat (possibly others) whilst only using 61 at most for Cloke.

Barring any further trades, we'll have more marketable picks than we can use. Do we bundle these to rise up the order

I think that is an option but it might depend on what we could get for Hrovat. If it's pick 34 from North then that gives us a few options of package up. There is some speculation on Trade Radio that there is a bidding war on Hrovat between North and Carlton. North have the chips but it might be harder to get something decent from Carlton. I can't see Carlton parting with pick 25 even if we offer pick 35 or 43 in the deal. Carlton need to finish their focus on Marchbank and Gibbs etc

[GVGjr]

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A few weeks back we had been linked to Geelongs injury prone but talented Nathan Vardy.
West Coast and Port are apparently interested but I don't think they could offer much that would interest Geelong who now appear to be focusing on Carlton's Tuohy. Could pick 43 get us Nathan Vardy and cover off a need for a support ruckman?

Risky move given his injury history but I'm sure we have considered it.

[bulldogtragic]

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A few weeks back we had been linked to Geelongs injury prone but talented Nathan Vardy.
West Coast and Port are apparently interested but I don't think they could offer much that would interest Geelong who now appear to be focusing on Carlton's Tuohy. Could pick 43 get us Nathan Vardy and cover off a need for a support ruckman?

Risky move given his injury history but I'm sure we have considered it.

If we get bent over not taking 50 for Stevens, then I'd be happy taking a punt on him. Pick 43 and around that mark has pulled off some great draftees lately for us. But a virtually end of third round pick might be worth the punt if our medico's and VU team think that they can get him on the park. It's probably more down to them, because his talent is undisputed.

[GVGjr]

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Would a pitch to GWS about getting James Stewart be worth a try ? He's a good size and mobile and I wonder if he could be turned into a CHB ? He hasn't proven himself as a senior player so he should come cheaply. Based on some other posts and what Ive read on what pick Essendon or Carlton might offer if we did get pick 50 for Kobe we could trump them.
For what its worth I think he is further advanced than Hamling was when we got him. A year with LB might do him wonders
Its unlikely but I hope we are looking at a few things.

He's probably too speculative for us. I tend to think if we haven't been linked to a player by now it's unlikely something will just jump out for us between now and the close of business tomorrow. Given you can't really trade for a player if they haven't done a physical test with your medical team I'd say we are happy enough to bring in Cloke and try and move up a bit with draft picks.

[1eyedog]

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He's probably too speculative for us. I tend to think if we haven't been linked to a player by now it's unlikely something will just jump out for us between now and the close of business tomorrow. Given you can't really trade for a player if they haven't done a physical test with your medical team I'd say we are happy enough to bring in Cloke and try and move up a bit with draft picks.

Agreed and I'm not unhappy with it. I'm buoyed by the Cloke signing and think he improves us which is a massive positive given we are talking about a premiership team.

[GVGjr]

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Agreed and I'm not unhappy with it. I'm buoyed by the Cloke signing and think he improves us which is a massive positive given we are talking about a premiership team.

I see it a bit differently because I don't think we have enough quality within the playing list and losing Hamling and having Adams flagging his intention to head home doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. Cloke adds a bit, Crameri adds a lot more but potentially not addressing a KP defender and/or a support ruckman during this trade period puts a lot of faith in Roberts, Campbell and Roughead being fit enough through the 2017 season.
Last year we chased a few ruckman so we can't deny we aren't 100% happy with the depth of our ruck division and now it's a bit weaker with the loss of Minson. This year we chased Hurley which indicates we also saw a need to improve our defensive KP options.

Sure we can use Cordy as a key defender and since the GF a lot of people aren't as concerned now with using Tom Boyd in the ruck a bit more but I still think we are light on for quality.

[comrade]

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I'm not sure you can say we're light on for quality. Depth in a few spots, but we did just win a flag. Coaching & system > personnel

[Sedat]

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I see it a bit differently because I don't think we have enough quality within the playing list and losing Hamling and having Adams flagging his intention to head home doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. Cloke adds a bit, Crameri adds a lot more but potentially not addressing a KP defender and/or a support ruckman during this trade period puts a lot of faith in Roberts, Campbell and Roughead being fit enough through the season.
Last year we chased a few ruckman so we can't deny we aren't 100% happy with the depth of our ruck division and now it's a bit weaker with the loss of Minson. This year we chased Hurley which indicates we also saw a need to improve our defensive KP options.

Sure we can use Cordy as a key defender and since the GF a lot of people aren't as concerned now with using Tom Boyd in the ruck a bit more but I still think we are light on for quality.

Our ruck stocks are actually two down with Goetz and Minson both leaving, so we do need to bolster this area by at least one in the off-season. Agree that we also need more KPD depth - Cordy will get monstered as a KPD in 2017 and Adams, whilst very talented, hasn't proven to be durable from an injury perspective thus far.

From a talent perspective, I think our list is in very good shape. We have an abundance of quality on the list IMO - just need to bolster a couple of areas that are a little skinny in terms of depth.

[ledge]

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I would love a ruckman come straight in then we play Boyd in the forward line with Cloke and Dickson , Stringer , McLean , Picken etc hanging around be hard to stop . Especially if you add Crameri and the Bont spending time in there.
Let roughy go back and look after the pack marks while Wood Adams etc do the cut off roles

[GVGjr]

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I'm not sure you can say we're light on for quality. Depth in a few spots, but we did just win a flag. Coaching & system > personnel

I think it's simplistic approach that indicates you believe our playing list automatically guarantees a top 4 finish or better next season.
I don't see it that way.
You obviously have no concerns with the area's I highlighted. To me we are deep in the area's I don't have a lot of concerns.

Can I ask why did we chase Hurley if we don't have at least some concerns with our backline which now takes Hamling out the options?
I'd also like to hear why you think two number one ruckman with an established history of injuries is sufficiently deep enough for another 26 week campaign? Would it not be better to have some support in that area?

[chef]

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I would love a ruckman come straight in then we play Boyd in the forward line with Cloke and Dickson , Stringer , McLean , Picken etc hanging around be hard to stop . Especially if you add Crameri and the Bont spending time in there.
Let roughy go back and look after the pack marks while Wood Adams etc do the cut off roles

We have Campbell who can do that

[comrade]

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I think it's simplistic approach that indicates you believe our playing list automatically guarantees a top 4 finish or better next season.
I don't see it that way.
You obviously have no concerns with the area's I highlighted. To me we are deep in the area's I don't have a lot of concerns.

Can I ask why did we chase Hurley if we don't have at least some concerns with our backline which now takes Hamling out the options?
I'd also like to hear why you think two number one ruckman with an established history of injuries is sufficiently deep enough for another 26 week campaign? Would it not be better to have some support in that area?

Sure but what's out there worth chasing? Why did we chase Hurley? Because he's a gun that would improve any team.

And do I think one of the youngest and most inexperienced teams to win the flag has the capability to improve on the back of natural development in the core 20-24 year olds. Yes I do.

[dog town]

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I think it's simplistic approach that indicates you believe our playing list automatically guarantees a top 4 finish or better next season.
I don't see it that way.
You obviously have no concerns with the area's I highlighted. To me we are deep in the area's I don't have a lot of concerns.

Can I ask why did we chase Hurley if we don't have at least some concerns with our backline which now takes Hamling out the options?
I'd also like to hear why you think two number one ruckman with an established history of injuries is sufficiently deep enough for another 26 week campaign? Would it not be better to have some support in that area?

While I don't want us to go out and randomly grab players I do agree it's a little worrying that we are not overly active.

I would have thought as far as being a club of choice goes our situation has never been better and we don't look to be cashing in on that. We can still improve our list dramatically. We didn't have the best list this year we had the best system and played to our strengths. We need to be looking to improve on our list and its weaknesses. We have shown that our system and style of play makes almost any player better and allows players to flourish. If you have a strength there is a role in our side. I hope we are picking the eyes out of other lists trying to find guys to play roles in our game plan.

[ledge]

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We have Campbell who can do that

I love Campbell but we obviously have other ideas of some sort, we took Goetz and had Minson , now both are gone so I would presume we would at least be looking for one replacement ruckman.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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He's probably too speculative for us. I tend to think if we haven't been linked to a player by now it's unlikely something will just jump out for us between now and the close of business tomorrow. Given you can't really trade for a player if they haven't done a physical test with your medical team I'd say we are happy enough to bring in Cloke and try and move up a bit with draft picks.

I have similar concerns about our KPD & ruck stocks going into next season, and if we finish tomorrow without having added depth at these positions (given the paucity of quality with the remaining uncontracted talent in these positions) I will have concerns for season 2017.
Given we've yet to be linked to anyone during trade week (other than Cloke) I also think it's becoming increasingly unlikely we would pull any significant surprises between now and tomorrow.