Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

[kruder]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

It was a combination of Hamling (mainly) and Morris on Franklin. I don't think Cordy has the running capacity to go with Franklin and neither does Roberts. That probably leaves Wood as the match-up.

Crameri replaces Dickson and Cloke replaces Boyd (assuming he rucks) so I'm not sure we are better up forward than last year just yet.

Ball movement is the key, it was 2015 like on Friday night so I think we are already ahead. Cant wait to see Dickson forward this year will be dangerous along side Cloke and Boyd for sure.

[kruder]

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We need more assistance inside, so I'd bring Dunkley in. He can also go forward & provide nuisance value.

Not sure what to do with the ruck scenario but I hate the idea of Boyd, Campbell & Cloke all in the same team. Going ultra tall just doesn't work anymore unless the players are super mobile.

Hurry up & get buff, Timmy English!

Cloke is very mobile leads up at the footy and runs all day, Boyd is now mobile and will play forward/ruck and Campbell your traditional ruckman. Um how is this set up too tall?

[Mofra]

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Um how is this set up too tall?

I agree - "too tall" is an excuse from old-days football where players pretty much stayed in one position or the game.

The question is how much defensive pressure as a unit our forwards will put on the opposition when the ball is in transition.
Cloke and Boyd are ok but questionable at times, Crameri decent for his size, and Stringer put in quite a few excellent chases in round 1.

[Greystache]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

In- Adams, Campbell

Out- Morris (inj), Daniel

Need Adams for defensive flexibility, although I've serious reservations about his recent form. Boyd plays his best footy in a mix of ruck and forward, he was largely ineffective as a full time ruckman, and Campbell can play a mix of ruck and forward too. Cloke to play higher up the ground as he did Firday night.

Daniel was terrible Friday and his last 3 games at AFL level have been a mix of average to poor. His disposal under real pressure is a concern.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

In- Adams, Campbell

Out- Morris (inj), Daniel

Need Adams for defensive flexibility, although I've serious reservations about his recent form. Boyd plays his best footy in a mix of ruck and forward, he was largely ineffective as a full time ruckman, and Campbell can play a mix of ruck and forward too. Cloke to play higher up the ground as he did Firday night.

Daniel was terrible Friday and his last 3 games at AFL level have been a mix of average to poor. His disposal under real pressure is a concern.

Agree 100% on defence structure and also Campbell for Daniel, although we seem in the minority. If we are right, there's an apparent outbreak of nudity in Footscray late this week.

[Bornadog]

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I don't think Adams is AFL level.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

I don't think Adams is AFL level.

Adams current form is shite, I'll pay that. Losing a gun like Morris for a while I guess highlights why the club chased hard and virtually landed Hurley. I think a decent KPD something to target later this year. But with Collins injured and the new kids say too raw, we go in smaller than we did in the GF or we take in Adams and back him in.

[1eyedog]

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Playing Cordy back we go in no smaller. Roberts and Cordy / Hamling. Reid may play forward so there is a case for Adams, although if Campbell comes in Reid may be required back on the resting ruck as Grundy / Laidler will be too small.

Who does Adams play on up forward?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

Playing Cordy back we go in no smaller. Roberts and Cordy / Hamling. Reid may play forward so there is a case for Adams, although if Campbell comes in Reid may be required back on the resting ruck as Grundy / Laidler will be too small.

Who does Adams play on up forward?

We played in the GF: Roberts, Wood, Hamling, Morris.

So we are down Hamling & Morris. Cordy covers one of them. By my count, we are down one tall defender from the set up that won the GF. So taking names out of it, we stick with that winning set up, or we change the set up. My inclination is to stick with what works.

[Bornadog]

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We played in the GF: Roberts, Wood, Hamling, Morris.

So we are down Hamling & Morris. Cordy covers one of them. By my count, we are down one tall defender from the set up that won the GF. So taking names out of it, we stick with that winning set up, or we change the set up. My inclination is to stick with what works.

No point bringing in a tall for the sake of it, if they can't play football. I would prefer Collins over Adams.

[chef]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

Adams was very good last season.

[1eyedog]

Re: Match Committee - Round 2 2017 vs Sydney Swans

We played in the GF: Roberts, Wood, Hamling, Morris.

So we are down Hamling & Morris. Cordy covers one of them. By my count, we are down one tall defender from the set up that won the GF. So taking names out of it, we stick with that winning set up, or we change the set up. My inclination is to stick with what works.

But it's surely player dependent rather than a one size fits all. Adams is not Morris and Morris didn't / doesn't play tall anyway. Morris played on Papley in stages and Fasolo in the second half on Saturday. Roberts / Roberts, Cordy / Hamling, Wood / Morris just feels better to me. I'm more comfortable with someone stepping up for Wood than I am with Adams coming in for Morris.

Adams in his current form is a complete liability. He's panicky enough as it is. He needs time to get some touch in the VFL.

[soupman]

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I would prefer Collins over Adams.

Not sure about that.

Adams, as woeful as his pre-season form was (and based on that I too have serious reservations about picking him), did play at a very high standard for the majority of his games last season, somehow never really getting punished for the huge weaknesses in his game. None the less he demonstrated he is clearly capable at the level.

Collins for mine has yet to show anything AFL standard at a decent level of footy. His sole AFL game he looked slow and immobile and stuffed up a couple of kicks, and his VFL form has been underwhelming. He is still young and will develop, but I cannot see how anyone would pick him ahead of a fit Adams atm even with Adams pre-season form.

[Bornadog]

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Not sure about that.

Adams, as woeful as his pre-season form was (and based on that I too have serious reservations about picking him), did play at a very high standard for the majority of his games last season, somehow never really getting punished for the huge weaknesses in his game. None the less he demonstrated he is clearly capable at the level.

Collins for mine has yet to show anything AFL standard at a decent level of footy. His sole AFL game he looked slow and immobile and stuffed up a couple of kicks, and his VFL form has been underwhelming. He is still young and will develop, but I cannot see how anyone would pick him ahead of a fit Adams atm even with Adams pre-season form.

I wouldn't bring in Collins either - at 19 years old still raw. I was just remarking I prefer him over Adams.

I would like to see Campbell in for Morris. We have enough players in the backline to cover the back half.

Roberts, Wood, MBoyd, Suckling, Biggs, Murphy, JJ and Cordy for starters.

[westbulldog]

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Adams was like a rabbit in the headlights in the JLT. He would have to have improved dramatically since then to warrant selection.
I would retain Daniel without hesitation.