Jason McCartney

[ledge]

Re: Jason McCartney

So was stringer a good pick or a bad one ?

[jeemak]

Re: Jason McCartney

So was stringer a good pick or a bad one ?

He was an excellent pick. At pick five, probably the most talented in his draft and first to reach an accolade like All Australian, whilst the biggest piece of air play anyone picked ahead of him has had is being suspended for suspicion of drug taking.

Played a couple of really good seasons for us, was instrumental in our rise up from nothing to finals contenders that with a bit more intestinal fortitude and defensive wherewithal could have played week two and three finals in 2015, and was a distraction to opposition planning in our premiership year whilst kicking one of the most difficult and important goals ever kicked in a grand final.

All in all, a raging success over the time he spent with us - of course to the point where we'd had enough and realised he was going to be too much of a distraction going forward.

But, the decision to let Stringer go had nothing to do with list management in its purest sense, or McCartney in general. The pundits will put the magnifying glass over what we were able to get for him having let him go, but the decision to do so in the first place had nothing to do with the list manager, who let's be honest, was dealt a really tricky deck to work with during the trade period.

[Twodogs]

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He was an excellent pick. At pick five, probably the most talented in his draft and first to reach an accolade like All Australian, whilst the biggest piece of air play anyone picked ahead of him has had is being suspended for suspicion of drug taking.

Played a couple of really good seasons for us, was instrumental in our rise up from nothing to finals contenders that with a bit more intestinal fortitude and defensive wherewithal could have played week two and three finals in 2015, and was a distraction to opposition planning in our premiership year whilst kicking one of the most difficult and important goals ever kicked in a grand final.

All in all, a raging success over the time he spent with us - of course to the point where we'd had enough and realised he was going to be too much of a distraction going forward.

But, the decision to let Stringer go had nothing to do with list management in its purest sense, or McCartney in general. The pundits will put the magnifying glass over what we were able to get for him having let him go, but the decision to do so in the first place had nothing to do with the list manager, who let's be honest, was dealt a really tricky deck to work with during the trade period.

And Dal picked him.

[jeemak]

Re: Jason McCartney

And Dal picked him.

Are you trying to pick a fight with me TD?

[Twodogs]

Re: Jason McCartney

Are you trying to pick a fight with me TD?

I'd be picking a fight with ledge in this aituation.


Unless you are determined to have a problem with me...

[anfo27]

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Not sure why people were off him, I agree he has done a great job.

Has done a great job with managing the list but not good enough at the trade table in my opinion. Granted i don't know what goes on inside the club at trade time.

[Bornadog]

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Has done a great job with managing the list but not good enough at the trade table in my opinion. Granted i don't know what goes on inside the club at trade time.

In your opinion what is the issue for trading?

[anfo27]

Re: Jason McCartney

In your opinion what is the issue for trading?

Think we did poorly in the Stringer trade. I think we did poorly in the pick 16 trade with Carlton. I find it hard to understand that Crozier is worth pick 40 but Stevens & Hrovat are worth nothing. I'm not saying we should be getting good picks for them but Crozier was worth a pick & our two players aren't.
We've had a lot fun on here at Dodoro's expense but he did good job come trade time. Be honest & tell me who we are better than at the trade table?
I give him credit at managing our list, great job JMac but thats not the only area he is responsible for.

[Bornadog]

Re: Jason McCartney

Think we did poorly in the Stringer trade. I think we did poorly in the pick 16 trade with Carlton. I find it hard to understand that Crozier is worth pick 40 but Stevens & Hrovat are worth nothing. I'm not saying we should be getting good picks for them but Crozier was worth a pick & our two players aren't.
We've had a lot fun on here at Dodoro's expense but he did good job come trade time. Be honest & tell me who we are better than at the trade table?
I give him credit at managing our list, great job JMac but thats not the only area he is responsible for.

* Stringer - no one really wanted him due to the baggage. Effectively Pick 16 and Schache (former number 2 but of course jury is out at this stage)

* Stevens and Hrovat - not best 22, below average players - got what they are worth

* Crozier, I think pick 40 is about right - but could be a bust.

We are no better or no worse than any other club come trade time, the whole trade period really is a joke

[anfo27]

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* Stringer - no one really wanted him due to the baggage. Effectively Pick 16 and Schache (former number 2 but of course jury is out at this stage)

* Stevens and Hrovat - not best 22, below average players - got what they are worth

* Crozier, I think pick 40 is about right - but could be a bust.

We are no better or no worse than any other club come trade time, the whole trade period really is a joke

I don't like this 'effectively pick 16 & Schache' business. They were different trades. Bending the Lions over for Schache shouldn't make our other trade look better.
Stevens was best 22 at the start of 2016 but unfortunately for Koby his form coming back from injury has always been woeful so that cost him his spot. He was there abouts in a premiership team & Crozier is there abouts in a crap team. I fail to see how Crozier is worth more than Stevens.

[Bornadog]

Re: Jason McCartney

I don't like this 'effectively pick 16 & Schache' business. They were different trades.

We wouldn't have done the Schache trade if we didn't get the two picks from Essendon.

[jeemak]

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You can't look at trade period in terms of winning or losing individual trades. It's not the point of the exercise.

We had an exceptional trade period given the shit sandwich we had in front of us.

[anfo27]

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We wouldn't have done the Schache trade if we didn't get the two picks from Essendon.

We already had a pick in the 20s & if we did a better job in the Crozier deal then we still had pick 40 too. Even without the picks from Essendon we had the picks to get that done

[GVGjr]

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Think we did poorly in the Stringer trade. I think we did poorly in the pick 16 trade with Carlton. I find it hard to understand that Crozier is worth pick 40 but Stevens & Hrovat are worth nothing. I'm not saying we should be getting good picks for them but Crozier was worth a pick & our two players aren't.
We've had a lot fun on here at Dodoro's expense but he did good job come trade time. Be honest & tell me who we are better than at the trade table?
I give him credit at managing our list, great job JMac but thats not the only area he is responsible for.

To me that logic is way off and is the easy option. Over his tenure you've come up with one example and by the way Bevo has to take a hit of wrecking Stringers worth and bringing his departure to a head. J-Mac just had a shitty set of cards to play.

[Twodogs]

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You can't look at trade period in terms of winning or losing individual trades. It's not the point of the exercise.

We had an exceptional trade period given the shit sandwich we had in front of us.

Exactly. You go into trade period looking to improve your list and that's a different thing to winning trades.

It's quite feasible for you to win every trade but only trade in tall forwards or robust midfielders. Sure they are more valuable than every other position but there's no point having 43 of the same position on your list.

Let's give Essendon's recruiting and list management teams Eighteen months to two years before we start lionising them. I'm not convinced they are playing from the same deck everyone else is.