Jason McCartney

[jeemak]

Re: Jason McCartney

To me that logic is way off and is the easy option. Over his tenure you've come up with one example and by the way Bevo has to take a hit of wrecking Stringers worth and bringing his departure to a head. J-Mac just had a shitty set of cards to play.

Even the Bevo play is exaggerated when it comes to Stringer's trade worth. EFC and everyone else in the footy industry knew what sort of prospect Stringer had become. There's a reason why Connors and Stringer played the poor me card as forcefully as they did, and it wasn't because we were being bastards to deal with.

His off field life wasn't one shaded by some rumours here or there, it was rife with them, each closer to the mark than the next.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jason McCartney

Even the Bevo play is exaggerated when it comes to Stringer's trade worth. EFC and everyone else in the footy industry knew what sort of prospect Stringer had become. There's a reason why Connors and Stringer played the poor me card as forcefully as they did, and it wasn't because we were being bastards to deal with.

His off field life wasn't one shaded by some rumours here or there, it was rife with them, each closer to the mark than the next.

Had Bevo not said what he said the media couldn't have added to the momentum in the manner they did. It also forced Stinger and his manager to only nominate one club. I'm firmly convinced that Bevo shrunk Stringers value and the media were strong on that point

[Topdog]

Re: Jason McCartney

Had Bevo not said what he said the media couldn't have added to the momentum in the manner they did. It also forced Stinger and his manager to only nominate one club. I'm firmly convinced that Bevo shrunk Stringers value and the media were strong on that point

Sorry but how did Bevo speaking force Stringer to nominate one club.

If you go through the timeline you will recall that the rumours of an ugly exit interview were before Bevo spoke out.

Everyone knew the problems he had

[Remi Moses]

Re: Jason McCartney

There were stories of Geelong being the front runners for his services . We postured, Essendon postured , that’s trade time .
Clubs no the issues, hence why only one wanted him.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Jason McCartney

Think we did poorly in the Stringer trade. I think we did poorly in the pick 16 trade with Carlton. I find it hard to understand that Crozier is worth pick 40 but Stevens & Hrovat are worth nothing. I'm not saying we should be getting good picks for them but Crozier was worth a pick & our two players aren't.
We've had a lot fun on here at Dodoro's expense but he did good job come trade time. Be honest & tell me who we are better than at the trade table?
I give him credit at managing our list, great job JMac but thats not the only area he is responsible for.

I think Essendon needed tough inside mid types and not who they picked up .
Hrovat’s getting a game at the probably the worst club in the comp , and Stevens is very much what we already have.
Schache with his potential, was good business and Crozier could be very handy

[Twodogs]

Re: Jason McCartney

Had Bevo not said what he said the media couldn't have added to the momentum in the manner they did. It also forced Stinger and his manager to only nominate one club. I'm firmly convinced that Bevo shrunk Stringers value and the media were strong on that point

I think it's one of those situations where we have to work out who and why somebody isn't telling us 100% of the truth.

The first question you have to ask yourself is why Bevo would do that. He's not a stupid man and he would have realised that any loose talk by him would impact negatively on a stringers trade worth.

So we have two options. Bevo already knew that every other club (especially Essendon who had their claws into Jakenfor a while) would have known all of Jake's bad habits or the media are making up stories again.

I've mentioned to you before that Bevo needs a minder (the events of the last couple of months have not changed my mind about that BTW) and another group he needs minding from is a certain cohort of Melbourne journos who are out to get our senior coach. I don't know what he did to them but a group led by Barrett will go to almost any length and make up any bs story to get at Bevo. Their hatred for him is getting primal.

[westdog54]

Re: Jason McCartney

* Stringer - no one really wanted him due to the baggage. Effectively Pick 16 and Schache (former number 2 but of course jury is out at this stage)

* Stevens and Hrovat - not best 22, below average players - got what they are worth

* Crozier, I think pick 40 is about right - but could be a bust.

We are no better or no worse than any other club come trade time, the whole trade period really is a joke

The other thing people conveniently forget about Stevens and Hrovat is that we were never going to retain them with the game time they were getting. They had fallen a mile behind best 22.

[Twodogs]

Re: Jason McCartney

The other thing people conveniently forget about Stevens and Hrovat is that we were never going to retain them with the game time they were getting. They had fallen a mile behind best 22.

Both nearly went the year before I think. Or one of them.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jason McCartney

Sorry but how did Bevo speaking force Stringer to nominate one club.

If you go through the timeline you will recall that the rumours of an ugly exit interview were before Bevo spoke out.

Everyone knew the problems he had

So if everyone knew his problems why weren't they the focus of the media until Bevo tried to explain why he was being shopped around? Once that happened we handed control over to Stringer and his manager to pick a preferred side. The media sided with Stringer and let everyone know that we had given away control. We kept saying we would keep him if we didn't get an acceptable offer but everyone knew it was untenable because the coach confirmed it.

J-Mac cops the blame for not getting a better deal but really he didn't have a lot of options.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Jason McCartney

So if everyone knew his problems why weren't they the focus of the media until Bevo tried to explain why he was being shopped around? Once that happened we handed control over to Stringer and his manager to pick a preferred side. The media sided with Stringer and let everyone know that we had given away control. We kept saying we would keep him if we didn't get an acceptable offer but everyone knew it was untenable because the coach confirmed it.

J-Mac cops the blame for not getting a better deal but really he didn't have a lot of options.

I don't blame JMac or Bevo for the shit situation we were faced with. I blame Stringer.

[jeemak]

Re: Jason McCartney

So if everyone knew his problems why weren't they the focus of the media until Bevo tried to explain why he was being shopped around? Once that happened we handed control over to Stringer and his manager to pick a preferred side. The media sided with Stringer and let everyone know that we had given away control. We kept saying we would keep him if we didn't get an acceptable offer but everyone knew it was untenable because the coach confirmed it.

J-Mac cops the blame for not getting a better deal but really he didn't have a lot of options.

G, I honestly don't think it would have played out any differently. The tell is in how quickly the Stringer camp was mobilised, Jake clearly had been warned throughout the season, played dumb at the end of the game, and found himself exactly where he and his manager wanted him to be (just so happens we're all really suspicious about this particular club and its never capped salary provisions).

If Bevo didn't say anything, Connors would have planted the information suitably to ensure the message from the Stringer camp was clear. A good negotiator always discloses intentions early in the piece, Connors if in fact a good negotiator, would have explicitly told any other suitor about Stringer's favourable terms at Essendon and set the bar where it needed to be to get competition into the mix. Obviously the competition didn't want to be involved.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jason McCartney

G, I honestly don't think it would have played out any differently. The tell is in how quickly the Stringer camp was mobilised, Jake clearly had been warned throughout the season, played dumb at the end of the game, and found himself exactly where he and his manager wanted him to be (just so happens we're all really suspicious about this particular club and its never capped salary provisions).

If Bevo didn't say anything, Connors would have planted the information suitably to ensure the message from the Stringer camp was clear. A good negotiator always discloses intentions early in the piece, Connors if in fact a good negotiator, would have explicitly told any other suitor about Stringer's favourable terms at Essendon and set the bar where it needed to be to get competition into the mix. Obviously the competition didn't want to be involved.

The way I see it is if we didn't back him into the corner he could have easily considered other offers which would have helped. Connors became a problem when we presented Stringer to the media in the manner we did.

Anyway the point was to challenge the notion that J-Mac should have done better in that deal and from my perspective he didn't have a lot of play with.

[comrade]

Re: Jason McCartney

Sorry but how did Bevo speaking force Stringer to nominate one club.

If you go through the timeline you will recall that the rumours of an ugly exit interview were before Bevo spoke out.

Everyone knew the problems he had

I'm so certain Connors and Essendon were nailing down this deal for months, and it was Connors and/or the Stringer camp that leaked details surrounding the exit interview.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Jason McCartney

Any truth to the rumour that J Mac and Chris Grant aren't on speaking terms?

[azabob]

Re: Jason McCartney

Any truth to the rumour that J Mac and Chris Grant aren't on speaking terms?

Gee JMAC must have a lonely existence at the club as rumours were floating around he and Dalrymple are not speaking also.