Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants R21, Thursday 31/7/25 at Marvel Stadium at 7:30pm

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  • SonofScray
    Coaching Staff
    • Apr 2008
    • 4234

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    Apparently there is 23k here tonight.
    Generous on my eye test but wouldn’t be too far off.

    Really good numbers in context I think.
    Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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    • 1eyedog
      Hall of Fame
      • Mar 2008
      • 13233

      Originally posted by jeemak
      Reckon the bye was exactly what Naughton needed to refresh and get back into it after pushing to get over glandular fever and a bit of injury over a preseason with a lot of time in the rehab group.

      I had it in my early to mid-thirties and while I barely missed work nutrition was really difficult because of the ulcers in the mouth and throat. Eating was ****ing painful. If Naughton experienced that then he wouldn't have been able to fuel sufficiently for preseason loads.

      He wasn't great first week back against the Hawks but that was as much about supply as anything else. Since then he's been full of energy and pretty much unstoppable.
      I've spoken to Naughton about this at training. He said after Glandular Fever he experienced chronic fatigue and it was actually many weeks after that that he could train again and slowly build strength. Was happy to talk about it as I mentioned my wife also had the same issues, Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue (for months in our case).

      He didn't expect to have chronic fatigue but it's common after Glandular Fever. He actually reached out to Alistair Lynch (who also went through it), to help understand it.

      He said it was was weird because he was over the Fever but was still bed ridden for weeks. It was a slower than expected recovery.
      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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      • Eastdog
        WOOF Communtiy Organiser
        • Feb 2012
        • 18284

        Home now from another good night out at Marvel.

        That was fun. Can't complain tonight

        To be honest before the game tonight I was expecting a much closer contest as I was nervous going into another challenge against a team in the top 8 who have found good recent form as well in the Giants.

        We were solid from start to finish. Naughton and Darcy are a great combo. English had a fantastic game. Bont and Libba doing what they do both had solid games. Poulter had a very good game. Cleary, Lobb and JOD really good behind the ball. Lobb decision making really good tonight on when to mark and spoil.

        Sure the Giants had some notably outs but they still had a lot of quality in there that could have troubled us but tonight they didn't. So we exposed them and it is a wake up call for them and Kingsley.

        Need to keep winning next week against the Dees at the G, then the Eagles back at Marvel and then against Freo at Marvel which may decide if we make the finals.

        We can enjoy another relaxing weekend.

        Go Bulldogs!!
        "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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        • ledge
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2007
          • 14301

          Any thoughts on Busslinger game? It’s hard to get a gauge on it , he didn’t get a lot of it but did some to settle things and the free kick against him was of no fault of his .
          Whoever he played on hardly got a touch but neither did any other forward for them .
          Do we know who he was on and his job for the night ?
          Would it have made a difference playing Jones (as many thought including me ) would have been a better choice ?
          Bring back the biff

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          • Eastdog
            WOOF Communtiy Organiser
            • Feb 2012
            • 18284

            Originally posted by DOG GOD
            VDM has already proven he’s behind McNeil, Baker and Poulter
            I liked their games tonight. They were all good.
            "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44618

              Originally posted by ledge
              Any thoughts on Busslinger game? It’s hard to get a gauge on it , he didn’t get a lot of it but did some to settle things and the free kick against him was of no fault of his .
              Whoever he played on hardly got a touch but neither did any other forward for them .
              Do we know who he was on and his job for the night ?
              Would it have made a difference playing Jones (as many thought including me ) would have been a better choice ?
              It was okay, nothing to get excited about but It's another game under his belt
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • jeemak
                Bulldog Legend
                • Oct 2010
                • 21814

                Originally posted by 1eyedog

                I've spoken to Naughton about this at training. He said after Glandular Fever he experienced chronic fatigue and it was actually many weeks after that that he could train again and slowly build strength. Was happy to talk about it as I mentioned my wife also had the same issues, Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue (for months in our case).

                He didn't expect to have chronic fatigue but it's common after Glandular Fever. He actually reached out to Alistair Lynch (who also went through it), to help understand it.

                He said it was was weird because he was over the Fever but was still bed ridden for weeks. It was a slower than expected recovery.
                You might not know this but I hadn't been playing elite level sport at the time so outside of what I'd posted I'm probably not the best comparison!

                Thanks for sharing. I won't underestimate the impacts, I was a zombie trying to get through day to day, showing up to work stuff.
                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                • jeemak
                  Bulldog Legend
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 21814

                  Originally posted by SonofScray
                  Generous on my eye test but wouldn’t be too far off.

                  Really good numbers in context I think.
                  Another five or so opposition supporters which would be reasonable for a more heavily supported team, and it's up to 28K or so........not bad.
                  TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                  • Eastdog
                    WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 18284

                    Our crowd: 23,898

                    Our 2nd highest crowd against the Giants.
                    "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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                    • DOG GOD
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 6542

                      Originally posted by 1eyedog

                      I've spoken to Naughton about this at training. He said after Glandular Fever he experienced chronic fatigue and it was actually many weeks after that that he could train again and slowly build strength. Was happy to talk about it as I mentioned my wife also had the same issues, Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue (for months in our case).

                      He didn't expect to have chronic fatigue but it's common after Glandular Fever. He actually reached out to Alistair Lynch (who also went through it), to help understand it.

                      He said it was was weird because he was over the Fever but was still bed ridden for weeks. It was a slower than expected recovery.
                      I remember when I got it in 2006. Fevers, chills, bed ridden with fatigue. My doctor said 2 weeks complete bed rest otherwise it COULD lead to chronic fatigue. I did as I was told. It wasn’t great.

                      I will never see #16 the same!!

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                      • Go_Dogs
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 10152

                        Originally posted by 1eyedog

                        I've spoken to Naughton about this at training. He said after Glandular Fever he experienced chronic fatigue and it was actually many weeks after that that he could train again and slowly build strength. Was happy to talk about it as I mentioned my wife also had the same issues, Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue (for months in our case).

                        He didn't expect to have chronic fatigue but it's common after Glandular Fever. He actually reached out to Alistair Lynch (who also went through it), to help understand it.

                        He said it was was weird because he was over the Fever but was still bed ridden for weeks. It was a slower than expected recovery.
                        Yep, as an older person (eg not <20) it can knock you about. I’m a reasonably sized bloke and last about 20kgs over 2 weeks when I had it as just couldn’t eat. Shame the weight gradually crept back on during Covid…

                        He rightly had his output questioned over the front end of the season, however is now looking like the player we’ve all hoped he would be. He might just win a Coleman before it’s all said and done.
                        Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                        • Go_Dogs
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10152

                          Originally posted by Eastdog
                          Our crowd: 23,898

                          Our 2nd highest crowd against the Giants.
                          I couldn’t make it last night. Logistical challenges with my wife working regionally while I’m solo dad with 2 little people is real. Looked very quiet on the broadcast.
                          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10152

                            Bont seemed to really back McNeil last night. Not sure if others noticed this? On his (first?) set shot Fridge was running past for a handball and Bont killed it backing him with the set shot. For the miss on the run McNeil instinctively looked to handball back to Bont, but Bont said “it’s yours”.

                            I was very happy for him. His importance to the make up of the side seemed acknowledged by the Cap who went out of his way to get him on the stat sheet too.
                            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                            • doggies ftw
                              Draftee
                              • Dec 2013
                              • 715

                              Geez what a win, I was pretty confident we’d account for them, not like that though. They’re one of the form teams in the comp right now and we completely dismantled them. It’s a weird one obviously we contributed to how badly they played but at the same time just thought they were super flat and pathetic in the contest - and we know what we’re capable of when teams don’t bring that heat so I’m not sure it tells us toomuch but either way super
                              win.

                              What was the most encouraging was some of the changes we made defensively, it seemed live that there was a lot more one on one, especially further up the ground in our front half when they were exiting defence and then the next line of defence deeper in their half it was more zoned.

                              I thought it worked well as GWS found it tough to pierce through our zone off HB with shorter kicks as it was always only to a contest unless a perfect kick to a leading target, and even if they hit one or two the next in line was still to a contest and had to be perfect. The next line of defenders in a zone setup is fine because by the time the ball travels that long distance you’ve got time to cut it off. A short range zone makes no sense as you’re purely relying on a skill error to make it work and if it doesn’t the short ground opening kicks completely cut you open.

                              Maybe I’m old school but still nothing beats pressure, the pressure of having to beat your man one on one, the inferred pressure when your opponent is kicking the footy as they know you’re always right on their hammer, the pressure knowing you gotta get back and kick over the man on the mark because you’re right in his face. I think this is something Bevo has neglected over the years with his zone defences, corralling rather than attacking the ball carrier, backing off the mark tactics etc yeah on paper they make sense but in the real world of a pressure cooker afl environment, turn it up and force the oppo to not want to play you.

                              But anyway from a game plan and system point of view - we played it to perfection and I think and hope there’s a lot for us to take out of that going into games against good teams in the future. Geez I hope we don’t miss out on finals because we’re a bloody chance if we make it and get it right when it matters. Honestly.

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                              • doggies ftw
                                Draftee
                                • Dec 2013
                                • 715

                                From a players perspective, the lesser lights did more than can be expected of them which is awesome.

                                Poulter played his role to perfection - props to him and the coaches I didn’t think he had that in him. I guess that’s what the coaches have seen in his game as to why they think he can play that role and maybe they’ve got it right. He will need to impact more defensively as a 3rd tall lead up forward but I’ll let him off the hook for that tonight as it’s hard to pressure and tackle when the oppo doesn’t have the footy! Also should have had 2 goals - what was that decision? “From this angle we can see there’s no gap between ball & post” yeah you mean the angle directly behind the ball in line with the post? No shit you muppet how dumb are these people.

                                McNeil fantastic to finish his work and get some reward on the scoreboard, hopefully that gives him some confidence. If he can just start nailing those shots more often he becomes a different proposition as a player. Anyway McNeil just needs some consistency right, we don’t expect or need 3 goals a week from him he just needs to make sure he takes his chances in those pressure situation kicks, and move the ball on more quickly offensively when he gets it and not hold up transitions. We know his defensive output is fantastic. For mine jury’s still out because his issues come to the surface under pressure, not in a 90 pt win. But good game from him.

                                Baker similar, another good game but his disposal just worries me too much in high pressure games. It’s a shame it’s not just a little bit better because he does a lot right. His pace and hardness is elite, I’m trying to think of a role which can minimise his weaknesses, I don’t think that’s the wing or half back where you need more precision kicking though - could he play high half forward? Pressure and cut oppo exiting lanes like we expect from those in the role, but with the footy you’ve always got link up players streaming past for the overlap or basically you can just kick deep and long which he’s fine at, just the short stuff which is an issue. Keep it simple and he might be able to make something work, I’d probably have him as one of our best sub options.

                                Cleary awesome 3 weeks and growing in confident, he’s what we’ve needed big time there and could be really important going forward. Buss didn’t really notice him a lot but hey call me crazy but that’s what I want from a FB. The less I notice him the better job he’s doing, and Lobb/JOD can do the more eye catching stuff around him. Everyone needs an anchor in defence and I think he can be this guy, he’s just an unassuming, smart type. I think he can absolutely be a piece of a good defensive puzzle, even if not the superstar centre piece.

                                JJ turned back the clock, was everywhere last night. Intercepting, running, creating. We’re just such a more damaging proposition when JJ is up and about with Dale. We need to find a like for like replacement asap if he can’t do it consistently any more.

                                Darcy & Naughty are bloody awesome to watch, this year may not end the way we want it to and may even be considered a failure when all is said and done. But don’t take it for granted how fun it is going to the footy and watching these two kick bags and just work seamlessly together. Footys meant to be fun which we forget some times and these dudes are the benchmark of fun. As a young dogs supporter whose been just wanting to one day have one of the superstar forwards of the 90s & 00s on our team for once…. Here we are, and they’ve both got the better part of a decade left at our club too…

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