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  • Sedat
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2007
    • 11087

    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

    Originally posted by hujsh
    Wrong example. He's already out of the CBA rotations. Would have to be one of Bont, Treloar or Libba or just completely remove Daniel from them for Smith
    Appreciate the clarification on Macrae (I haven't watched a lot of our games this year). The point remains that we need Smith to raise his game and take ownership of the midfield sooner rather than later - he has attributes we are in very short supply of on our list. He has his faults (we all know them) but playing him as a high half forward or on the wing actually exacerbates his weaknesses and doesn't align as well with his considerable strengths. He should be getting more meaningful minutes in our midfield rotations - for mine it is not an either/or but we need to have a bigger spread of starting mids. I actually think he also has some run-with qualities depending on the opposition match-ups akin to a Ben Keays type, but Bevo has never had this in his coaching repertoire.

    I guess many of our midfield issues against the better teams start with having a non-dominant stoppage/pure clearance ruckman, so our mids can never really position themselves assertively at stoppage - so we might, through sheer talent, be able to win a lot of dirty clearances but they never seem to translate to scoreboard dominance. Collingwood had less clearances on Friday night but absolutely smashed us for scoreboard impact from clearances on the night.
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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65840

      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

      Originally posted by EasternWest
      It's been a while since I've said this, but "this".

      I'm not 100% serious when I make comments about trading him because his peak is really good but he's really only suited to one role and if he's not playing it then we're just better off (and he probably would be too) cashing out.
      We have Treloar and Libba who are over 30. Smith is the ideal replacement at just 22 years old.
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      • Grantysghost
        Bouncing Strong
        • Apr 2010
        • 18820

        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

        Originally posted by bornadog
        We have Treloar and Libba who are over 30. Smith is the ideal replacement at just 22 years old.
        I wonder why we don't split their time? Instead of Treloar taking 90 percent of CBA's he maybe does 70/30 or 60/40 with Baz.
        BT COME BACK!​

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

          Originally posted by bornadog
          We have Treloar and Libba who are over 30. Smith is the ideal replacement at just 22 years old.
          How is he developing in the mean time if he continues to not be in the role? Genuine question. If we are not developing him in the role (he barely plays there) then we not get the best out of him. He might feel a bit of that too.
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          • hujsh
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2007
            • 11811

            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

            Originally posted by Grantysghost
            I wonder why we don't split their time? Instead of Treloar taking 90 percent of CBA's he maybe does 70/30 or 60/40 with Baz.
            It's a balancing act I guess. Do we take 4-5 CBAs from Treloar, Bont and Libba each or do we take 10 from Treloar and 5 from Bont?

            Not sure myself but it's clear Smith is too out of the game right now as a pure half forward. That's why I was careful to say Sedat had the wrong example but didn't disagree with the overall point.

            Weird option... do we do a Hodge and try Bont as an intercepting half back on occasion? Don't want him kicking at goal tbh
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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 65840

              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

              Originally posted by Grantysghost
              I wonder why we don't split their time? Instead of Treloar taking 90 percent of CBA's he maybe does 70/30 or 60/40 with Baz.
              Not sure what is going on there, but Adz should have not been in the centre with his performance on the night.
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              • EasternWest
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Aug 2009
                • 9971

                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                Originally posted by bornadog
                We have Treloar and Libba who are over 30. Smith is the ideal replacement at just 22 years old.
                Very fair point.

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                How is he developing in the mean time if he continues to not be in the role? Genuine question. If we are not developing him in the role (he barely plays there) then we not get the best out of him. He might feel a bit of that too.
                Very fair point.
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                • azabob
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15175

                  Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                  Originally posted by hujsh
                  It's a balancing act I guess. Do we take 4-5 CBAs from Treloar, Bont and Libba each or do we take 10 from Treloar and 5 from Bont?

                  Not sure myself but it's clear Smith is too out of the game right now as a pure half forward. That's why I was careful to say Sedat had the wrong example but didn't disagree with the overall point.

                  Weird option... do we do a Hodge and try Bont as an intercepting half back on occasion? Don't want him kicking at goal tbh
                  No. Bontempelli is our best midfielder and should be at the source when ever he is on the ground.

                  If we need to give Smith me CBA action it has to be at the expensive of Treloar and Liberatore.
                  More of an In Bruges guy?

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44094

                    Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                    Robbo has got it very wrong. We should never trade Baz Smith and it certainly shouldn't be because he's had a few quiet weeks.
                    Lets give him a run with role and run him back into some form.
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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18820

                      Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      Robbo has got it very wrong. We should never trade Baz Smith and it certainly shouldn't be because he's had a few quiet weeks.
                      Lets give him a run with role and run him back into some form.
                      God I heard Cornes waxing lyrical about him this morning.
                      Guess what. Baz gets clicks.

                      I like it because we are in the conversation however it's horse you know what to consider trading our only good young mid.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • jeemak
                        Bulldog Legend
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 21508

                        Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                        They're all lining up to take the pressure off someone with known mental illness by needlessly speculating about his mental illness and how it impacts his performance.

                        Footy!!!!
                        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18820

                          Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                          Originally posted by jeemak
                          They're all lining up to take the pressure off someone with known mental illness by needlessly speculating about his mental illness and how it impacts his performance.

                          Footy!!!!
                          Awful isn't it.
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • jeemak
                            Bulldog Legend
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 21508

                            Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                            Originally posted by Grantysghost
                            Awful isn't it.
                            It's bang for buck. If they get really lucky Bevo will get shitty and lash out and then they can lay the boots into him.
                            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                            • angelopetraglia
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 6760

                              Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                              And again https://twitter.com/footyonnine/stat...y1lhUs8p7uzZ_A

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                              • angelopetraglia
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 6760

                                Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: Bailey Smith

                                Seven rounds ago against the Crows Bailey Smith had 37 touches. That’s decent form! Treloar didn’t play that game. But what has happened since then to his form? Has been a natural erosion of confidence with less time in the middle? Is there something else going on?

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