Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

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  • The Pie Man
    Coaching Staff
    • May 2008
    • 3497

    #61
    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

    Is it time to trial the 3 tall forwards and bring in Schache? He’s the best 2nd ruck option we have and can enjoy a bit more space at Adelaide Oval.
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    • kruder
      Coaching Staff
      • May 2011
      • 3864

      #62
      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

      I disagree with Bevo's tactics of keeping a young player on the bench for a significant amount of time. How does that help development?

      If he is not good enough don't play him the first place or else he has to continue to learn on the field surely.

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      • jeemak
        Bulldog Legend
        • Oct 2010
        • 21836

        #63
        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

        Originally posted by kruder
        I disagree with Bevo's tactics of keeping a young player on the bench for a significant amount of time. How does that help development?

        If he is not good enough don't play him the first place or else he has to continue to learn on the field surely.
        Maybe he was told what to do, didn't do it at all, and then was instructed to watch how it was done.

        Or maybe he was tight and he doesn't have the profile for it to be mentioned.
        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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        • kruder
          Coaching Staff
          • May 2011
          • 3864

          #64
          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

          Originally posted by jeemak
          Maybe he was told what to do, didn't do it at all, and then was instructed to watch how it was done.

          Or maybe he was tight and he doesn't have the profile for it to be mentioned.
          Has worked well with Schache too.

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          • jeemak
            Bulldog Legend
            • Oct 2010
            • 21836

            #65
            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

            Originally posted by kruder
            Has worked well with Schache too.
            Yeah I don't know. If I was to guess it was because he was tight, but who knows.
            TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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            • G-Mo77
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Apr 2007
              • 9876

              #66
              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

              Originally posted by kruder
              I disagree with Bevo's tactics of keeping a young player on the bench for a significant amount of time. How does that help development?

              If he is not good enough don't play him the first place or else he has to continue to learn on the field surely.
              This.

              My guess is Hayes is done for the season like Schache before him. Hayes isn't a real fav amongst the supporters so this is not real worrying news for many. I'm not a fan of it. Benched for the entire last quarter was he? That is pretty ordinary. I hope there was something else to it and not a doghouse benching, it speaks pretty poorly if it is.

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              • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 8966

                #67
                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                Originally posted by G-Mo77
                This.

                My guess is Hayes is done for the season like Schache before him. Hayes isn't a real fav amongst the supporters so this is not real worrying news for many. I'm not a fan of it. Benched for the entire last quarter was he? That is pretty ordinary. I hope there was something else to it and not a doghouse benching, it speaks pretty poorly if it is.
                We don't know the reason for it.
                Having said that, if he wasn't injured, then what would be the most likely explanation?
                I did see Bevo on the bench giving instruction to Hayes, I think in the first half? Maybe Hayes didn't do what was instructed? At some stage as a coach you've got to set a standard.. and if a player refuses to follow instruction and that instruction could potentially jeopardise your game plan, well then take an extended seat young man.
                I heard Dermie talk about Goodwin, saying he's a great bloke, but allows his charges to get away withour repercussions when they fail to adhere to non-negotiable team standards, and that he needs to 'risk losing the players' by getting ruthless on punishing any non-adherence to important standards.

                Now I don't know if what Dermie said is true or not, but I do think there is something about enforcing non-negotiables..especially if failure to follow one, some or all, puts a result at risk.
                Hayes may well have been injured too, although Bevo said post-game that we looked to have come through unscathed.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66781

                  #68
                  Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                  Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                  I did see Bevo on the bench giving instruction to Hayes, I think in the first half.
                  It was just before 3/4 time
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                  • jazzadogs
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5653

                    #69
                    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                    I would be shocked if Suckling doesn't come in, given his scratch match write-up and Bevo's trust in him. Lipinski also got a bit of praise in the scratchie report (so did 'ball of muscle' Billy Gowers but I'm ignoring that).

                    I would be happy with something like:

                    In: Suckling, Lipinski, Schache
                    Out: Hayes or Roarke, Richards, Lloyd

                    Lipinski can take a wing, Suckling can enter the forward rotation and Schache can be the high-leading hit up connection that we have been missing.

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18979

                      #70
                      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                      Now I've read the match report from the scratchie I've changed my selections :

                      In : Taylor Duryea, Patrick "DA BOM" Gowers.
                      Out : Smith, any mid.

                      *BOM - Ball of muscle.

                      Don't at me.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13237

                        #71
                        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                        Schache would be an ideal in this week. What does the guy have to do?
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • Rocket Science
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 4854

                          #72
                          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                          Originally posted by 1eyedog
                          Schache would be an ideal in this week. What does the guy have to do?
                          Nobody knows but apparently it's *not* kick goals, so we won't be wanting any more of this business.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66781

                            #73
                            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                            Originally posted by Rocket Science
                            Nobody knows but apparently it's *not* kick goals, so we won't be wanting any more of this business.

                            I mentioned this game in the West Coast MC thread. He kicked at least two of those goals whilst playing second ruck.

                            I think he is an ideal second ruck/Fwd
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                            • josie
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 4512

                              #74
                              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              I mentioned this game in the West Coast MC thread. He kicked at least two of those goals whilst playing second ruck.

                              I think he is an ideal second ruck/Fwd
                              Agree. Perhaps MC think it’s Bruce or Schache, but not both.
                              Josie :)

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                              • Doc26
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 3087

                                #75
                                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 17 Vs Hawthorn 2020

                                I wouldn’t be structuring up with 3 developing / struggling key position forwards.

                                I’ve been patient with Josh Bruce but he has lost touch with the basics with even his handball lacking any precision or subtlety. Hopefully he can find some touch before the season ends but it in the meantime, and on merit, I’d prefer the MC provides Schache with an opportunity with Naughton.

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