Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

[jeemak]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

21 contested marks - 9th highest in AFL

Well he's obviously a pussy then.

The vision and comments are valid, but it also might have more to do with timing and not wanting to be caught up in a contest of bodies when leaping to his optimal height to take a mark is his go. If you recall last week he was coming from diagonally behind a contest and took the ball one hand and marked it strongly.

So to me it's a form issue that needs to be worked through.

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Well he's obviously a pussy then.

The vision and comments are valid, but it also might have more to do with timing and not wanting to be caught up in a contest of bodies when leaping to his optimal height to take a mark is his go. If you recall last week he was coming from diagonally behind a contest and took the ball one hand and marked it strongly.

So to me it's a form issue that needs to be worked through.

Did Moore also work him under the ball a bit. Agree, Needs to fix it.

[angelopetraglia]

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No matter what he has done or how good he is. It is still definitely still a flaw to go at a ball multiple times with one hand and getting so far under the ball. Obviously not doing it all the time, but something he can definiltey improve upon and I even heard him say in a post match interview that he got under the ball a few too many times. So I'm sure it is something he is working on.

[hujsh]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Well he's obviously a pussy then.

The vision and comments are valid, but it also might have more to do with timing and not wanting to be caught up in a contest of bodies when leaping to his optimal height to take a mark is his go. If you recall last week he was coming from diagonally behind a contest and took the ball one hand and marked it strongly.

So to me it's a form issue that needs to be worked through.

Pretty spot on. He's mistiming things a bit but it's something he's worked through before

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Well he's obviously a pussy then.

The vision and comments are valid, but it also might have more to do with timing and not wanting to be caught up in a contest of bodies when leaping to his optimal height to take a mark is his go. If you recall last week he was coming from diagonally behind a contest and took the ball one hand and marked it strongly.

So to me it's a form issue that needs to be worked through.

We aren't holding Marra to a high enough standard and he's had a somewhat disappointing season based on how he set himself up during the pre-season. I feel he is very lucky that someone like Lloyd didn't call him out for his efforts against the Hawks.
Agree that it's probably a form and possibly a confidence issue that needs to be worked through.

[jeemak]

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We aren't holding Marra to a high enough standard and he's had a somewhat disappointing season based on how he set himself up during the pre-season. I feel he is very lucky that someone like Lloyd didn't call him out for his efforts against the Hawks.
Agree that it's probably a form and possibly a confidence issue that needs to be worked through.

I think we're holding him to too high a standard, personally. He's a bottom age 4th year player averaging 1.8 goals a game, and people are picking him apart.

He needs to tidy up some things but his two weeks out actually mean something to his continuity and form this year, but he's trying.

[GVGjr]

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I think we're holding him to too high a standard, personally. He's a bottom age 4th year player averaging 1.8 goals a game, and people are picking him apart.

He needs to tidy up some things but his two weeks out actually mean something to his continuity and form this year, but he's trying.

My main concern is the effort he is bringing and yet some of the comments I've been reading are giving him ticks for drawing a good opponent in games he's under-performed in.
Regardless of anyone's age the effort all players should bring should be a non-negotiable in terms of setting a standard.
We are also just about giving him a free pass on some aspects of the game when others are buried for it.

I get he has an immense talent but hasn't delivered on it much this season and there might be some valid reasons why but at the moment he appears to be down on confidence and form and that is the challenge the coaches need to address.
Lets hope he has that breakout game against Brisbane.

[jeemak]

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My main concern is the effort he is bringing and yet some of the comments I've been reading are giving him ticks for drawing a good opponent in games he's under-performed in.
Regardless of anyone's age the effort all players should bring should be a non-negotiable in terms of setting a standard.
We are also just about giving him a free pass on some aspects of the game when others are buried for it.

I get he has an immense talent but hasn't delivered on it much this season and there might be some valid reasons why but at the moment he appears to be down on confidence and form and that is the challenge the coaches need to address.
Lets hope he has that breakout game against Brisbane.

Maybe the reasons are important, and that he's still fronting up week after week and scraping by might be something to deem encouraging rather than the opposite. It would be easy enough for somebody his age to go completely into his shell.

Geelong have Tom Hawkins not kicking goals for a month, he's the most experienced key forward in the competition and he's being continually praised for his effort with everyone saying a goal or two is just around the corner.

JUH is 22, in his 4th year and has taken a couple of weeks off for personal reasons but hasn't stopped trying and influencing the scoreboard. He's a long way off perfect in any way, he's not without reason to be criticised, but he isn't the guy to worry about right now for mine.

[D Mitchell]

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Lloyd?s comment was restricted to just one aspect of Ugle-Hagan?s game and he illustrated it with vision. It was Cornes who ascribed a possible explanation, wishing to avoid contact. That?s not to suggest lack of courage, if his talent is a leap, then contact interferes. I agree that he?s held to a lower standard than he should, evidenced in a number of responses to Lloyd?s comment, by the commonly expressed excuses, youth, comparison with other tall forwards also underperforming, minimising comments like a couple of things to iron out and mistiming a bit, personal issues.

[Grantysghost]

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How are McDonald and Tilthorpe going in comparison?

Pick 4 and 2 from the same draft.

I'd say Marra has them covered.

[Rocket Science]

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If I was a wiry key forward in a setup that enthusiastically encourages everyone in the vicinity to fly for everything at all times I might be a little leery of what's approaching from behind too at times.

Maturing talent needs to refine his craft but sure Kano, reach for the 'soft' dog whistle.

[kickit2Koly]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

My main concern is the effort he is bringing and yet some of the comments I've been reading are giving him ticks for drawing a good opponent in games he's under-performed in.
Regardless of anyone's age the effort all players should bring should be a non-negotiable in terms of setting a standard.
We are also just about giving him a free pass on some aspects of the game when others are buried for it.

I get he has an immense talent but hasn't delivered on it much this season and there might be some valid reasons why but at the moment he appears to be down on confidence and form and that is the challenge the coaches need to address.
Lets hope he has that breakout game against Brisbane.

Are you questioning his effort on Friday? because I thought he competed really hard against the Pies. So did Bevo by the way, he mentioned it in his post game presser.

[lemmon]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Do we need to frame some of this in the thought that he's a million-dollar player next year? I think his development has been strong and he's right where you want a fourth-year key forward to be, but I think when you're taking the big bucks next year, you really need to be a 50+ goal kicker.

We're pretty firm on not overpaying English and I feel similarly about Marra next year. I think this is still a development season, and he deserves some leeway, but I'd like to see some consistent impact in 2025 when he's going to be on the big bucks.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Lloyd?s comment was restricted to just one aspect of Ugle-Hagan?s game and he illustrated it with vision. It was Cornes who ascribed a possible explanation, wishing to avoid contact. That?s not to suggest lack of courage, if his talent is a leap, then contact interferes. I agree that he?s held to a lower standard than he should, evidenced in a number of responses to Lloyd?s comment, by the commonly expressed excuses, youth, comparison with other tall forwards also underperforming, minimising comments like a couple of things to iron out and mistiming a bit, personal issues.

It's probably more about form, focus and confidence at the moment and when it clicks again we will see him back at his best. The timing part with his marking will return and I don't for a second think it's anything to do with him worrying about being hit.

[Scorlibo]

Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

Do we need to frame some of this in the thought that he's a million-dollar player next year?

Not particularly, he's worth a million bucks on promise and that promise doesn't have to be fully realised next year or even the year after.

My personal benchmark around which I judge Marra's season to be poor (thus far) is two-fold:

a) he had a breakout season last year where he showed an ability to impact games in a variety of ways. This year he's been very one-dimensional by comparison (marking has been strong, but field kicking, decision making, conversion, pressure and ground level work has fallen away).

b) he has been given the most opportunity of any player to impact the scoreboard, being our number one target inside fifty. Much like how centre bounce midfielders should be averaging ~25 disposals a game, Marra should be averaging ~2 goals a game.