Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

[Grantysghost]

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Not particularly, he's worth a million bucks on promise and that promise doesn't have to be fully realised next year or even the year after.

My personal benchmark around which I judge Marra's season to be poor (thus far) is two-fold:

a) he had a breakout season last year where he showed an ability to impact games in a variety of ways. This year he's been very one-dimensional by comparison (marking has been strong, but field kicking, decision making, conversion, pressure and ground level work has fallen away).

b) he has been given the most opportunity of any player to impact the scoreboard, being our number one target inside fifty. Much like how centre bounce midfielders should be averaging ~25 disposals a game, Marra should be averaging ~2 goals a game.

That's around 50 goals a season. Fair benchmark!

I'm more 30 ish.

[hujsh]

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He's averaging 1.8 fwiw. Decent amount of score involvements for a key forward too

[Scorlibo]

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That's around 50 goals a season. Fair benchmark!

I'm more 30 ish.

Yeah it's probably more like 1.7 or something.

The general point I'm making is that I don't see Marra having kicked a reasonable amount of goals as something particularly worth celebrating given he's being given more opportunity to kick goals than anyone else in the side.

I also strongly disagree with goals kicked being the ultimate measure of a forward's worth in the modern game. Naughton has been brilliant this season but you wouldn't know it looking at his goal average.

[Bornadog]

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Yeah it's probably more like 1.7 or something.

The general point I'm making is that I don't see Marra having kicked a reasonable amount of goals as something particularly worth celebrating given he's being given more opportunity to kick goals than anyone else in the side.

I also strongly disagree with goals kicked being the ultimate measure of a forward's worth in the modern game. Naughton has been brilliant this season but you wouldn't know it looking at his goal average.

He has kicked 18.17, or 35 scoring shots. Needs to nail more of those opportunities.

[Grantysghost]

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He has kicked 18.17, or 35 scoring shots. Needs to nail more of those opportunities.

He needs to be tight on the LH pocket. That's his sweet spot.

Think v Pies, v Demons, and his first ever goal. It's pretty clear to me that when he kicks through it - they go where he wants them to.

[Ozza]

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No doubt Jamarra was a bit down on form to start the year and then had an interruption of a couple of weeks personal leave.

Whilst he's not absolutely flying, I don't think you could question his work ethic over the past 3 matches (GWS, Swans, Pies) where he is getting to a lot of contests, competing hard and helping his team mates get clear (still a work in progress working with Darcy and others to not fly for the same ball....but they're troubleshooting on the run).

I think this period where he is working really hard and not necessarily cashing in as much as he would like, will pay off soon. He had Darcy Moore pretty much the entire night on Friday and was able to stay dangerous and still get his shots on goal.

The only concern I have whatsoever about Marra's progress is his kicking for goal. He is 4th in the competition for shots on goal per game, behind only Curnow, Ben King and Waterman. If his conversion can improve, he is pretty rapidly in the elite forwards conversation.

[SquirrelGrip]

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He has kicked 18.17, or 35 scoring shots. Needs to nail more of those opportunities.

I agree. He's been close to getting off the chain a number of times but then hasn't executed. Kick straighter and it's a much different tale.

[GVGjr]

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That's around 50 goals a season. Fair benchmark!

I'm more 30 ish.

50 was always going to be a reach. I was hoping for 40+ but would have been happy with 35+
He's still a good chance of getting there.

[D Mitchell]

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That's around 50 goals a season. Fair benchmark!

I'm more 30 ish.

50 only if we play in 3 finals. At 2 per game, that's 40 this season. That should be achievable as long as there are a couple of 5 goal plus games.

[D Mitchell]

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He has kicked 18.17, or 35 scoring shots. Needs to nail more of those opportunities.

AFL stats credit 46 shots at goal. Currently at 37.6 % conversion, same as last year and worse than 2022, 39.1 %. Poor kicking isn't a glitch, it's a feature.

[bulldogtragic]

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Just a friendly reminder, Marra cost us picks 29, 33, 41, 42, 52 & 54.

[hujsh]

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I think I remember a little bit of angst about him being bid on at pick 1 (as opposed to say McDonald who arguably had a better resume) but we can't really complain now

[mighty_west]

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I think I remember a little bit of angst about him being bid on at pick 1 (as opposed to say McDonald who arguably had a better resume) but we can't really complain now

I think that was mainly due to the fact McDonald played that season in the WAFL whilst Jamarra and most others spent the season isolated with no games what so ever, remember also reading i think was Chris Doerre (Nightmare) who used to do his Phantom drafts for ESPN and that other Footy Forum that's Big, and saying that the knock on Jamarra was dropping too many marks, doesn't seem to have that issue now.

[jazzadogs]

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I think that was mainly due to the fact McDonald played that season in the WAFL whilst Jamarra and most others spent the season isolated with no games what so ever, remember also reading i think was Chris Doerre (Nightmare) who used to do his Phantom drafts for ESPN and that other Footy Forum that's Big, and saying that the knock on Jamarra was dropping too many marks, doesn't seem to have that issue now.

Wasn't it Adelaide who bid, and then took Thilthorpe at 2? I just thought it was weird not to take your player at 1.

Daicos not getting a bid until pick 4, when GWS had their pick 2 from a trade the previous year, was the clearest case of collusion you've ever seen.

[hujsh]

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Wasn't it Adelaide who bid, and then took Thilthorpe at 2? I just thought it was weird not to take your player at 1.

Daicos not getting a bid until pick 4, when GWS had their pick 2 from a trade the previous year, was the clearest case of collusion you've ever seen.

IIRC there was a small forward we were hoping to get with one of the picks if Jamarra went anywhere but 1st and Adelaide wanted him too so that informed their bid. Then Thilthorpe was seen as safer being a local.