Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

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  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 21840

    #31
    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

    Originally posted by soupman
    I think he is a midfielder in a toddlers body. He could play the tough role that Libba will vacate, but he is just so small. He would get monstered by even the medium size mids imo. I think like Honeychurch he is too small to play his real role and has to become a pressure small forward flanker instead.
    At 182cm he can play as an inside mid. It's just that Libba has his spot right now.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • angelopetraglia
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Nov 2008
      • 6853

      #32
      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

      Originally posted by jeemak
      At 182cm he can play as an inside mid. It's just that Libba has his spot right now.
      He also hasn't really seized his chances when they have been provided either, albeit they have been sparse. He was in the team in the GWS final capitulation in 2019. Three years later and he is not even close to holding down a position. This is his fourth season. He has played 11 games. Three in 2019. Four in 2020. Four in 2021.

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14972

        #33
        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

        Originally posted by soupman
        I think he is a midfielder in a toddlers body. He could play the tough role that Libba will vacate, but he is just so small. He would get monstered by even the medium size mids imo. I think like Honeychurch he is too small to play his real role and has to become a pressure small forward flanker instead.
        He's 3cm taller than Lachie Neale.
        If you're good enough, you're tall enough. He didn't get any senior praccy match time so the MC must view him as a fair way off.
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        • Bullies
          WOOF Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 1807

          #34
          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

          Originally posted by soupman
          Don't think Wallis offers us what we are looking for in the Vandermeer role. Vandermeer is meant to cover the angles well, force kicks to bad options and apply good pressure, and when he gets the ball meant to move it quickly and directly with hurt factor. The with the ball stuff is what he has sucked at for some time, although 1 tackle is not a great output either. I'd suggest we have a bunch of options for his role though; McNeil and Garcia both showed good signs there last year, it could be one we try Jones in, JJ should be a shoe in when fit, I personally don't think it plays to his strengths but West is probably in the mix for it, and I reckon McComb might be one they look at for it as well.

          Unfortunately for Wallis I think one of the key attributes they look at for that role is pace and he has none of that. He's more looking at the Hannan or JUH role where he is a foil for the main target (Naughton) and needs to be able to provide cover in marking contests or be another option.
          Why don't we just play guys who know how to play football - see ball get ball rather than play "cover angles" "force kicks to bad options". It should be a basic game. Wal has footy smarts. He can't do worse than Vandermeer. I suppose Roarke Smith has a special role as well. No idea what it is though. Get back to basics and select guys for their football ability and not because they are athletes or skate with Bevo.

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          • Mofra
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 14972

            #35
            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

            At this stage (without VFL results) I'll go with:

            Out: Cordy, Crozier
            In: O'Brien, Williams

            Still concerned by the 2nd ruck spot
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            • Mofra
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 14972

              #36
              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

              Originally posted by Bullies
              Why don't we just play guys who know how to play football - see ball get ball rather than play "cover angles" "force kicks to bad options". It should be a basic game. Wal has footy smarts. He can't do worse than Vandermeer. I suppose Roarke Smith has a special role as well. No idea what it is though. Get back to basics and select guys for their football ability and not because they are athletes or skate with Bevo.
              VDM leads the comp in 'repeat sprints' - Wallis isn't quick enough to register a stat. If he comes in, it won't be for VDM's spot.
              I thought he did a lot of 'unrewarded' stuff ok last night.
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              • Bullies
                WOOF Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 1807

                #37
                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                Originally posted by whythelongface
                I forgot about West. He seems to be the forgotten man. I know he has played forward but is there an opportunity for him to come into the midfield? What are some of his attributes? Does he have the ability to win the ball?
                West is a smart footballer but might not fit into the modern footballer mould of being an athlete so is not selected. Type of player that will dominate somewhere else if he doesn't get opportunities.

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                • azabob
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15332

                  #38
                  Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                  Originally posted by Mofra
                  At this stage (without VFL results) I'll go with:

                  Out: Cordy, Crozier
                  In: O'Brien, Williams

                  Still concerned by the 2nd ruck spot
                  Who would be your second ruck if we drop Cordy?
                  More of an In Bruges guy?

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                  • comrade
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 18046

                    #39
                    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                    Originally posted by azabob
                    Who would be your second ruck if we drop Cordy?
                    Hannan? He took a fair chunk of the forward half contests but there’s no way we could use him in the middle…surely?
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                    • Bullies
                      WOOF Member
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 1807

                      #40
                      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      VDM leads the comp in 'repeat sprints' - Wallis isn't quick enough to register a stat. If he comes in, it won't be for VDM's spot.
                      I thought he did a lot of 'unrewarded' stuff ok last night.
                      I forgot about the "repeat sprints". He stays in the team then. He is out of the team though if he gets "repeat goals".

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                      • Mofra
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 14972

                        #41
                        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                        Originally posted by comrade
                        Hannan? He took a fair chunk of the forward half contests but there’s no way we could use him in the middle…surely?
                        I think he had one CBA, surprisingly won a boundary throw in contest.
                        Gardner is tall enough but I don't recall him training for the role
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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14972

                          #42
                          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                          Originally posted by Bullies
                          I forgot about the "repeat sprints". He stays in the team then. He is out of the team though if he gets "repeat goals".
                          Instead of such a poor, glib response, you could consider why Wallis isn't getting a look in right now in the first instance.

                          We need forwards who can also pressure the opposition on turnover. VDM may well lose his spot to a Gracia or JJ, but it won't be to a guy who can't replicate his role in the side.
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                          • Nuggety Back Pocket
                            WOOF Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 2064

                            #43
                            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            At this stage (without VFL results) I'll go with:

                            Out: Cordy, Crozier
                            In: O'Brien, Williams

                            Still concerned by the 2nd ruck spot
                            Carlton showed the value of playing two genuine ruck men.
                            To see Cordy for rucking for long periods and Hannan is bordering on the absurdity.
                            Time to throw the gauntlet down to Sweet

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                            • Bullies
                              WOOF Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 1807

                              #44
                              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                              Originally posted by Mofra
                              Instead of such a poor, glib response, you could consider why Wallis isn't getting a look in right now in the first instance.

                              We need forwards who can also pressure the opposition on turnover. VDM may well lose his spot to a Gracia or JJ, but it won't be to a guy who can't replicate his role in the side.
                              I'm saying we are getting away from the basics that win games. Wallis can replace Vandermeer and have a different role. We have other guys who can do Vandermeer pressure/run roles. I'm not big on Wallis but if you talk footy smarts he has more than Vandermeer. I would say the same for West.

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 66812

                                #45
                                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round Three v Sydney at Marvel

                                Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
                                Carlton showed the value of playing two genuine ruck men.
                                To see Cordy for rucking for long periods and Hannan is bordering on the absurdity.
                                Time to throw the gauntlet down to Sweet
                                Let's see how Sweet goes today.
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