Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

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  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 21831

    #31
    Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

    Originally posted by Mofra
    Would this debate be a little different if we were paying for all of Treloar's contract?
    Yes. But we're not.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • chef
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2008
      • 14622

      #32
      Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

      Maybe we should wait a few games, Saints mids aint a great measuring stick.
      The curse is dead.

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14954

        #33
        Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

        Originally posted by 1eyedog
        Great question. My feeling is that we wouldn't have been able to pay all of Treloar's contract without bleeding a best 22 player. If we could have afforded him at 100% of his contract value and not bled a best 22 player I'd probably do it. We know we have to pay overs to get elite talent in the 25-28 age bracket into our club. We always have. If we had that sort of cap available though I'd have started trying to prise out a gun key back before another mid, but that's another story.

        I'm not sure the Lippa / Treloar debate is about money as much as it is about Lippa knowing his card was stamped when a better version of him entered the club. His niche skill set and hence opportunity got sucked up in a vacuum as soon as Treloar agreed to come to the club.
        That was where I was heading, so thanks - the debate might well have been Lippa + (insert player we lose) vs Treloar.

        While not as clear cut, Treloar might still be the preferred option in that case. We paid a similar price in trade capital for Treloar as we received for Lippa, although Treloar (plus a second) was traded for 2 first rounders when he left GWS.

        In any case, we got a bargain for someone rated so highly and Lippa joins a list of players who left us for more opportunity who look set to do pretty well at their next club. I expect the Pies will be happy with him.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7366

          #34
          Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

          Originally posted by chef
          Maybe we should wait a few games, Saints mids aint a great measuring stick.
          LOL - that's fair. I have to admit I've been holding off on this one since the trade and had planned to post it after Lipinski's first game for Collingwood!

          It just so happened he played well which I thought would be doubly good for a conversation!

          I love Treloar as a player but I still maintain adding him to our group has created more complications than solved problems because he is a #A-grade player who plays in a position where pretty much ALL of our other #A-grade players already play!
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • Testekill
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 2327

            #35
            Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

            Originally posted by chef
            Maybe we should wait a few games, Saints mids aint a great measuring stick.
            That's true, Saints really only have Jack Steele.

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            • chef
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2008
              • 14622

              #36
              Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

              Originally posted by mjp
              LOL - that's fair. I have to admit I've been holding off on this one since the trade and had planned to post it after Lipinski's first game for Collingwood!

              It just so happened he played well which I thought would be doubly good for a conversation!

              I love Treloar as a player but I still maintain adding him to our group has created more complications than solved problems because he is a #A-grade player who plays in a position where pretty much ALL of our other #A-grade players already play!
              Yeah it's a great idea for a thread. I'm keen to see how he goes against the gun mids of Port/Lions/Us/Dees before getting too worried about him going.

              Oppo teams will start putting more time into him too and with the lack of options for the Pies he may be easier to negate.
              The curse is dead.

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              • angelopetraglia
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2008
                • 6844

                #37
                Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                Treloar was superb tonight.

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                • SquirrelGrip
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 1523

                  #38
                  Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                  This thread should be changed to Dunkley or Lipinski, there can be only one. Had we traded Dunks for that first round pick and kept Lippa, now that’s a more interesting discussion…
                  "I'll give him a hug before the first bounce and then I'll run into my pack and give them orders to rip him apart."

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                  • azabob
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15314

                    #39
                    Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                    Originally posted by SquirrelGrip
                    This thread should be changed to Dunkley or Lipinski, there can be only one. Had we traded Dunks for that first round pick and kept Lippa, now that’s a more interesting discussion…
                    Jeemak is playing the long game signing up as SquirrelGrip back in 2007 (3 years before actually signing up as jeemak) to again bring up we should trade Dunkley... seriously he is just chasing post counts on his thread on Trade Dunkley
                    More of an In Bruges guy?

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                    • jeemak
                      Bulldog Legend
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 21831

                      #40
                      Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                      Originally posted by azabob
                      Jeemak is playing the long game signing up as SquirrelGrip back in 2007 (3 years before actually signing up as jeemak) to again bring up we should trade Dunkley... seriously he is just chasing post counts on his thread on Trade Dunkley
                      I almost PM'd Twodogs to threaten a ball kicking if he didn't change the thread title back to simply "Trade Dunkley" immediately after the game to make sure the message cut through. However, TD has balls of steel and I wouldn't want to hurt my feet, and while I'm still off Dunkley I'm not ready to reignite that thread just yet.

                      As for me playing the long game and going incognito, I think the real question is whether I'm actually an alter ego if SquirrelGrip and I don't even know it.
                      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                      • SquirrelGrip
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1523

                        #41
                        Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                        Originally posted by jeemak
                        As for me playing the long game and going incognito, I think the real question is whether I'm actually an alter ego if SquirrelGrip and I don't even know it.
                        Our time is now Jeemak.
                        "I'll give him a hug before the first bounce and then I'll run into my pack and give them orders to rip him apart."

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                        • Ghost Dog
                          WOOF Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 9404

                          #42
                          Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                          Originally posted by mjp
                          LOL - that's fair. I have to admit I've been holding off on this one since the trade and had planned to post it after Lipinski's first game for Collingwood!

                          It just so happened he played well which I thought would be doubly good for a conversation!

                          I love Treloar as a player but I still maintain adding him to our group has created more complications than solved problems because he is a #A-grade player who plays in a position where pretty much ALL of our other #A-grade players already play!
                          Hi MJP
                          If they can push up and all be kicking goals, don't see it as an issue.
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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27655

                            #43
                            Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

                            Originally posted by jeemak
                            I almost PM'd Twodogs to threaten a ball kicking if he didn't change the thread title back to simply "Trade Dunkley" immediately after the game to make sure the message cut through. However, TD has balls of steel and I wouldn't want to hurt my feet, and while I'm still off Dunkley I'm not ready to reignite that thread just yet.

                            As for me playing the long game and going incognito, I think the real question is whether I'm actually an alter ego if SquirrelGrip and I don't even know it.
                            Your feet are safe with me. In all conscience I couldn't let my testicles damage one of the few feet that can kick a footy properly so I'd feint one way when I saw it coming.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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