Rory Lobb

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Rory Lobb

21 is overs for a forward whose career best season was kicking 36 goals and who is now 29 years old. Ruck ability fills a need and makes him more valuable than just the goals but... it's overs by a fair way. 30 is marginally over TBH but once bids and stuff come in it's probably about right.

Perhaps but if that’s the price this year, they can give a little next year since they’re holding a heap of picks. They’ve got North 4th next year, I’d want that swapped at a minimum. I’d ask for the 3rd, but settle for the 4th. That would begin to balance things out.

But if they need it for Jackson, and this Lobb and we can get it for a points trade effectively, then I’d do it with something back next year.

[Happy Days]

Re: Rory Lobb

30 is fair. 21 is too much.

Also what happened to not wanting to trade him?

[EasternWest]

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30 is fair. 21 is too much.

Also what happened to not wanting to trade him?

Almost like it was a total load of crap

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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How's everyone's thoughts on Lobb now?

For me it is still dependent on price, but the fact we've got Jones (30+ y.o) suggests we're aiming to contend.

If we could nab Lobb/Rayner, I'm prepared to overpay for Lobb. If all we get are speculative picks for Dunkley, then I don't think we've improved enough to consider ourselves a contender (potentially also losing Hunter) and I'd rather not bother with Lobb.

[Grantysghost]

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How's everyone's thoughts on Lobb now?

For me it is still dependent on price, but the fact we've got Jones (30+ y.o) suggests we're aiming to contend.

If we could nab Lobb/Rayner, I'm prepared to overpay for Lobb. If all we get are speculative picks for Dunkley, then I don't think we've improved enough to consider ourselves a contender (potentially also losing Hunter) and I'd rather not bother with Lobb.

I don't think it's going to add too much.

We have other areas that need work.

Don't understand what our strategy is at this point.

But Sam hasn't let us down so far.

[GVGjr]

Re: Rory Lobb

How's everyone's thoughts on Lobb now?

For me it is still dependent on price, but the fact we've got Jones (30+ y.o) suggests we're aiming to contend.

If we could nab Lobb/Rayner, I'm prepared to overpay for Lobb. If all we get are speculative picks for Dunkley, then I don't think we've improved enough to consider ourselves a contender (potentially also losing Hunter) and I'd rather not bother with Lobb.

Nothing has changed with Lobb from my perspective but we will likely overpay for his services. I'm not sure we need him but we have committed to him.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Rory Lobb

How's everyone's thoughts on Lobb now?

For me it is still dependent on price, but the fact we've got Jones (30+ y.o) suggests we're aiming to contend.

If we could nab Lobb/Rayner, I'm prepared to overpay for Lobb. If all we get are speculative picks for Dunkley, then I don't think we've improved enough to consider ourselves a contender (potentially also losing Hunter) and I'd rather not bother with Lobb.

Good question, and even better observation.

If there’s three mature players coming in, and we believe the premiership window is open next year. I would put the Brisbane future first on the table for another good player (in position of need). Try to bring in 4 best 22 players while holding 2022 & 2023 first rounders. We have the trade capital and some cap space. If we are contending then let’s be brave while holding top picks for two years to bring in fresh top talent.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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Good question, and even better observation.

If there’s three mature players coming in, and we believe the premiership window is open next year. I would put the Brisbane future first on the table for another good player (in position of need). Try to bring in 4 best 22 players while holding 2022 & 2023 first rounders. We have the trade capital and some cap space. If we are contending then let’s be brave while holding top picks for two years to bring in fresh top talent.

Our best players will be in their most productive years over next 5 years and the team is in the window so recruiting mature players is a proven path in this window. I agree recruit rather than draft now.

[bulldogtragic]

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Our best players will be in their most productive years over next 5 years and the team is in the window so recruiting mature players is a proven path in this window. I agree recruit rather than draft now.

Dunkley leaving for something like Rayner (or to a lesser extent Lohmann) and a Future First rounder means we can do both' trade for the now and still invest in the future. Keep our own 2022 and 2023 First Rounders for the best kid we can get, while putting into the market first (future), second and third rounders for the right players of need. A semi-decent Dunkley deal is going to be a great opportunity for the short, medium and long term if we play our cards right.

[Grantysghost]

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Dunkley leaving for something like Rayner (or to a lesser extent Lohmann) and a Future First rounder means we can do both' trade for the now and still invest in the future. Keep our own 2022 and 2023 First Rounders for the best kid we can get, while putting into the market first (future), second and third rounders for the right players of need. A semi-decent Dunkley deal is going to be a great opportunity for the short, medium and long term if we play our cards right.

Rayner was a #1 pick it would just be a straight swap I reckon BT.

[bulldogtragic]

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Rayner was a #1 pick it would just be a straight swap I reckon BT.

Wait and see. Rayner is worth about $450,000, while Dunkley with worth $750,000 (x 6 years) to Brisbane's list manager. I think they would get a future pick back, perhaps as high as our second. But don't accept a Brisbane line that are worth the same on the open market. They themselves see a huge difference between the two.

So looking at say the Dylan Shiel trade. It was Pick 9 and a Future First to GWS, GWS gave Essendon their future Second back.

My thoughts are similar. Rayner to the value around being inside the Top 10 as a stand alone trade (value). They swap their future first, for our future second. Which puts the trade on par with Dylan Shiel.

I'm happy to gift them a solid 250 Draft Points extra draft points to help them with Ashcroft and Fletcher. With our Picks 30, 39 & 69 for their 21 & 56. (21 on traded to get Lobb). So they're a bit ahead of the Shiel trade with the Draft Points trade.

Optimistic maybe. But we've demanded two first rounders, or one first rounder and a player of first round value. This would tick our boxes, and while Brisbane is getting back a Second Rounder and 250 Draft Points. They clearly want something back, and we need give them something.


Edit/add:

Taranto 12 & 19 as a comparison.

Say Brisbane get the GF and it gets pushed back by bids/compo to pick 19 (their future first). Then the above is the equivalent of Pick 12 & Second Rounder & 250 Draft Points for Rayner. If you accept Taranto and Dunkley are equal players. If Dunkley is a better player, then Brisbane do better again.

[Rocket Science]

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Yeah. For all Rayner's pedigree and unrealised potential he's still very much a positional tweener on a contending club, albeit robbed a year of development.

Conversely, Dunkley's a versatile, well established mid entering his absolute prime who's got flags and B&Fs on his resume.

I know which one's more likely to have a bigger impact in a premiership push. And so do they.

[jeemak]

Re: Rory Lobb

How's everyone's thoughts on Lobb now?

For me it is still dependent on price, but the fact we've got Jones (30+ y.o) suggests we're aiming to contend.

If we could nab Lobb/Rayner, I'm prepared to overpay for Lobb. If all we get are speculative picks for Dunkley, then I don't think we've improved enough to consider ourselves a contender (potentially also losing Hunter) and I'd rather not bother with Lobb.

Not sure how many competent rucks who play forward can kick a couple of goals a game there are in the competition, but I'd definitely like to know I have at least one (who's willing to play there) on our list.

[Grantysghost]

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Not sure how many competent rucks who play forward can kick a couple of goals a game there are in the competition, but I'd definitely like to know I have at least one (who's willing to play there) on our list.

[kruder]

Re: Rory Lobb

Lobb will be at the Bulldogs next year I reckon.