Rory Lobb

[hujsh]

Re: Rory Lobb

I would be livered if we over pay for Lobb. Forget Lobb and keep Schache. If Schache played every game he'd kick 30 goals easily. That's just 1.3 goals a game. Schache is free

1. Schache can't ruck well
2. Schache has taken 51 contested marks in his career. Lobb took 32 this season

This is not to say one is a vastly superior player to the other (I want nothing to do with the Schache brigade) but that the roles they play are different.

Schache doesn't really play that tall forward. He's more a leading forward who is also tall. Lobb is a contested marking backup ruck. He solves a structural problem we've had the entire time Schache has been on the list (aside from early 21)

[Stevo]

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I won't mind at all if we can get this deal done and equally I won't lose sleep if we can't.
He is an average ruck man and decent forward and when I see what a game changer like Grundy went for and knowing the Pies were slipping in 1.5M over 5 years I do not want to overpay for a bit better than a middle of the road Rory Lobb. No problems with Freo setting a price but if it means we significantly compromise our draft hand then thanks but no thanks.

[Jasper]

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39 + f2 on our end. Not sure if something coming back

For a player that might play 60 to 80 games for us? Hefty price.

[ratsmac]

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1. Schache can't ruck well
2. Schache has taken 51 contested marks in his career. Lobb took 32 this season

This is not to say one is a vastly superior player to the other (I want nothing to do with the Schache brigade) but that the roles they play are different.

Schache doesn't really play that tall forward. He's more a leading forward who is also tall. Lobb is a contested marking backup ruck. He solves a structural problem we've had the entire time Schache has been on the list (aside from early 21)

I agree with you but my point was more about over paying for a 30 year old who had his best season to date with 36 goals.

I don't think he is a very good ruckman either. He probably beats other backup rucks of the Cordy calibre but don't go pinning your hopes on Lobb dominating in the centre.

Let my rephrase my post. I would be livered if we over pay for Lobb. Forget Lobb and keep Schache. If Schache played every game he'd kick 30 goals easily. That's just 1.3 goals a game. Schache is free. * But not fussed if he we had neither play for us next year. Schache would be a depth player anyway.

I don't reckon we need Lobb at all tbh. Scoring wasn't our issue this year, it was getting scored against. If Lobb turns us into a defensive outfit like Freo were this year then I'm all in, otherwise I'm happy to pass on Lobb.

[dog town]

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I agree with you but my point was more about over paying for a 30 year old who had his best season to date with 36 goals.

I don't think he is a very good ruckman either. He probably beats other backup rucks of the Cordy calibre but don't go pinning your hopes on Lobb dominating in the centre.

Let my rephrase my post. I would be livered if we over pay for Lobb. Forget Lobb and keep Schache. If Schache played every game he'd kick 30 goals easily. That's just 1.3 goals a game. Schache is free. * But not fussed if he we had neither play for us next year. Schache would be a depth player anyway.

I don't reckon we need Lobb at all tbh. Scoring wasn't our issue this year, it was getting scored against. If Lobb turns us into a defensive outfit like Freo were this year then I'm all in, otherwise I'm happy to pass on Lobb.

I agree on keeping Schache but we need a forward/ruck which Schache can’t do. They are not really a comparison in that sense.

[GVGjr]

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I'm genuinely torn on striking a deal for Lobb and I feel we owe him something given we flagged our interest in him a few months back

I get why Fremantle are demanding a high price but #21 and #39 is way too much for Lobb.
To me it's #30 and nothing else and if that isn't sufficient then it's time to say sorry to Rory and go into the draft this year with 11, 30 and 39 and put some faith in Dom Milesi and the team to get us 3 good players.

[The Doctor]

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Freo apparently want an F2 to satisfy the Suns asking price for Sharp. So I think that is an important stepping stone in getting the deals done. Therefore if the Dogs satisfy that need it should rule out anything under pick 30 this year as an add on.

So I suspect that the Dogs will be gunning for Lions F2 in addition to F1 & Pick 21. That might mean pick 39 or our F3 (preferably) goes to Lions.

[GVGjr]

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Freo apparently want an F2 to satisfy the Suns asking price for Sharp. So I think that is an important stepping stone in getting the deals done. Therefore if the Dogs satisfy that need it should rule out anything under pick 30 this year as an add on.

So I suspect that the Dogs will be gunning for Lions F2 in addition to F1 & Pick 21. That might mean pick 39 or our F3 (preferably) goes to Lions.

Thanks for adding the clarity.

[Grantysghost]

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I'm genuinely torn on striking a deal for Lobb and I feel we owe him something given we flagged our interest in him a few months back

I get why Fremantle are demanding a high price but #21 and #39 is way too much for Lobb.
To me it's #30 and nothing else and if that isn't sufficient then it's time to say sorry to Rory and go into the draft this year with 11, 30 and 39 and put some faith in Dom Milesi and the team to get us 3 good players.

There’s a point where we have to pull the plug.

Personally I’d be ok with the 21 from the Lions going to Freo, we’ve courted Lobb and as much as I’m not a massive fan we need to walk the walk.

If it ends up Dunkley for Lobb and a future first it’s probably palatable.

G you follow the kids closely, is 21 (or 23) going to be a good pick this year?

[GVGjr]

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There’s a point where we have to pull the plug.

Personally I’d be ok with the 21 from the Lions going to Freo, we’ve courted Lobb and as much as I’m not a massive fan we need to walk the walk.

If it ends up Dunkley for Lobb and a future first it’s probably palatable.

G you follow the kids closely, is 21 (or 23) going to be a good pick this year?

I think so, picks under 40 are valuable.

[jazzadogs]

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Freo apparently want an F2 to satisfy the Suns asking price for Sharp. So I think that is an important stepping stone in getting the deals done. Therefore if the Dogs satisfy that need it should rule out anything under pick 30 this year as an add on.

So I suspect that the Dogs will be gunning for Lions F2 in addition to F1 & Pick 21. That might mean pick 39 or our F3 (preferably) goes to Lions.

Do Brisbane have enough current and future draft picks to be allowed to trade out their future 1st and future 2nd?

Would be a bit of a quirk if they're not allowed to trade because they don't have any first round this year, even though they're getting pick 1.

Similarly for us, we haven't actually held a first round pick for the last two years - but we've got pick 1 and 2.

[The Doctor]

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Do Brisbane have enough current and future draft picks to be allowed to trade out their future 1st and future 2nd?

Would be a bit of a quirk if they're not allowed to trade because they don't have any first round this year, even though they're getting pick 1.

Similarly for us, we haven't actually held a first round pick for the last two years - but we've got pick 1 and 2.

As far as I'm aware Brisbane have their own F1 & F2 & Geelong's F2. They can trade out 2 of these I believe. They also have pick 21 this year. So they have plenty to play with.

[GVGjr]

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We need to get our name linked to Ratugolea and see if that can't prick up the ears of Fremantle.

[bulldogtragic]

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The Doctor is correct, they can trade 1st and a 2nd.

The selection of a matched bid in the first round counts as using a first round selection for the ‘2 in 4’ first round use rules.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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There’s a point where we have to pull the plug.

Personally I’d be ok with the 21 from the Lions going to Freo, we’ve courted Lobb and as much as I’m not a massive fan we need to walk the walk.

If it ends up Dunkley for Lobb and a future first it’s probably palatable.

G you follow the kids closely, is 21 (or 23) going to be a good pick this year?

If Lobb was 25/26, a F1 and Lobb is palatable but given he's 30 and only once performed to this level, there's no chance I'd be handing over Pick 21 even IF draft picks are speculative/overrated at that point. We need more young talent into the club considering we've coughed up a lot for two players in recent years (Marra/Darcy).

Pick 30 + a F3 would be my offer, or Pick 30 + F2 for Lobb & F3.