Rating the 2022 Trade Period - After 7.30pm Wednesday Night

[JanLorMill]

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Sorry to go over old ground here but the failure to make Brisbane pony up for Dunkley is one of our biggest failures in many years. Made our coach look silly. Sam Power’s rating went down by a lot.
Would rather have forced Dunkley into psd than hand a side at our level one of our best players for unders.
Would Brisbane be playing GF without him?

[Grantysghost]

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Sorry to go over old ground here but the failure to make Brisbane pony up for Dunkley is one of our biggest failures in many years. Made our coach look silly. Sam Power’s rating went down by a lot.
Would rather have forced Dunkley into psd than hand a side at our level one of our best players for unders.
Would Brisbane be playing GF without him?

I understand the sentiment. I guess there's a bit of being a good citizen involved too and not having a reputation of treating players like commodities, rather like people.
Flipside, he was all #teamdunks with his choice of clubs. As many wiser have said prior to me leaving isn't the concern as much as the club he chose.

For that reason it would irk me if he won one up there, however it's a minor irk and he's a Lions player now so pffft.
I just hope we handled his exit in an optimal fashion (didn't have levers we didn't pull after he went) for the club.
There was no way the Lions were going to be able to pay what we wanted. Their future first, could've been anything (see Freo).

In future we need to trade prior to contract expiry if we don't get a solid commitment (except Bont).

[jeemak]

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There is only one year missing in that 2017 - 2023 sequence.

Why would that be? Did we recruit 22 fantastic 1 year players?

No! It was the same players who got the team to top of the ladder in round 20 in 2021 that failed both before and after.

And 7th is a fail. For decades it was necessary to finish In the top third of the competition to participate in finals. It was extended to approximately half to allow a couple of extra tv hours, not to reward quality.

So if a team is capable of being a ladder leader it?s underperforming at 7th.

2021 was the only year we did something different in the game plan. Kept it simple and logical. Instead of running around bragging about being average the leadership should go out and steal a better game plan- I think Collingwood?s could be a good start (although we killed them in 2022 by accidentally resurrecting a memory from the good year).

The difference between making the final five vs. the final eight relative to the number of teams in the competition is ~2-3%.

In 2016 we won 15 games with a horrible run with injuries, versus 15 in 2021 with a more favourable run. I've always felt that in 2016 we were going to be one of the better if not the best sides with a decent run of health and that proved to be the case in the finals.

[Topdog]

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I understand the sentiment. I guess there's a bit of being a good citizen involved too and not having a reputation of treating players like commodities, rather like people.
Flipside, he was all #teamdunks with his choice of clubs. As many wiser have said prior to me leaving isn't the concern as much as the club he chose.

For that reason it would irk me if he won one up there, however it's a minor irk and he's a Lions player now so pffft.
I just hope we handled his exit in an optimal fashion (didn't have levers we didn't pull after he went) for the club.
There was no way the Lions were going to be able to pay what we wanted. Their future first, could've been anything (see Freo).

In future we need to trade prior to contract expiry if we don't get a solid commitment (except Bont).

I'm all for getting a good reputation but sending him off for 0 1st round picks is absolutely terrible. Doing it for 1 would have been us being nice, remembering that we are also improving a rival by trading him there. Should have sent him to PSD.

[Danjul]

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The difference between making the final five vs. the final eight relative to the number of teams in the competition is ~2-3%.

In 2016 we won 15 games with a horrible run with injuries, versus 15 in 2021 with a more favourable run. I've always felt that in 2016 we were going to be one of the better if not the best sides with a decent run of health and that proved to be the case in the finals.

This historical fact really annoys me. We were on top of the ladder cruising towards the minor premiership after 20 rounds.

Then what happened? Dropped 3 easily winnable games against Essendon, lowly hawthorn and Port and fell out of the top four. To add insult to injury we then beat Essendon and Port.

we had beaten the eventual premiers comfortably in round 19?

History hides the unbelievable selection stuff ups that nobody could understand at the time.

2021 was our year and the people controlling the strings destroyed it. It should have been 18 wins, minor premiership and an easy run to a premiership ( in my opinion).

But the only record for posterity is 15 wins and another Bevo finish outside the top four.

[Bornadog]

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I'm all for getting a good reputation but sending him off for 0 1st round picks is absolutely terrible. Doing it for 1 would have been us being nice, remembering that we are also improving a rival by trading him there. Should have sent him to PSD.

So you would rather we lost him for nothing instead of Pick 21, future first-round pick, future second-round pick and a future fourth (tied to Geelong) while the Lions also get a future third-round and fourth-round (tied to Melbourne).

[JanLorMill]

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So you would rather we lost him for nothing instead of Pick 21, future first-round pick, future second-round pick and a future fourth (tied to Geelong) while the Lions also get a future third-round and fourth-round (tied to Melbourne).

Of course not but we have given Brisbane the keys to a grand final. It’s not like they didn’t know it then. Who needed him more? We were going to lose him but how desperate were Brisbane to get him? Being nice doesn’t pay.

[lemmon]

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I'm all for getting a good reputation but sending him off for 0 1st round picks is absolutely terrible. Doing it for 1 would have been us being nice, remembering that we are also improving a rival by trading him there. Should have sent him to PSD.

Did doing that with Jack Martin help Gold Coast?

I feel like it's such an empty threat because at the end of the day, the player still gets to where he wants to go (ie. Luke Ball) but you've cut your nose off to spite your face. I think we simply need to treat players who are out of contract like they are free agents and if you want to extract any value from a player come trade time, you need to facilitate a trade while they're still in contract.

At the end of the day, we gambled on two extra seasons with Dunkley and lost. I hope we learn from that.

[G-Mo77]

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So you would rather we lost him for nothing instead of Pick 21, future first-round pick, future second-round pick and a future fourth (tied to Geelong) while the Lions also get a future third-round and fourth-round (tied to Melbourne).

The F1 is 17 - 20s. We market it on a Future 1st but it's a glorified 2nd rounder. The return for Dunkley was pathetic! It was bad last year and it's even worse now. It was insulting for a player the quality of Dunkley and we happily said yes.

[lemmon]

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Of course not but we have given Brisbane the keys to a grand final. It’s not like they didn’t know it then. Who needed him more? We were going to lose him but how desperate were Brisbane to get him? Being nice doesn’t pay.

How do you stop him from getting to Brisbane? I think we're ignoring precedent - when was the last time an out-of-contract player didn't get to the club they wanted to go to?

[Topdog]

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Did doing that with Jack Martin help Gold Coast?
.

Did it hurt them?

How do you stop him from getting to Brisbane? I think we're ignoring precedent - when was the last time an out-of-contract player didn't get to the club they wanted to go to?

I would have preferred that we trade them early as per your actual suggestion but failing that if the other team is being a complete prick as Brisbane were than yes send him to PSD and wherever he ends up he ends up.

[jazzadogs]

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The F1 is 17 - 20s. We market it on a Future 1st but it's a glorified 2nd rounder. The return for Dunkley was pathetic! It was bad last year and it's even worse now. It was insulting for a player the quality of Dunkley and we happily said yes.

Happily is a stretch. I think Power would have been bloody pissed off that his hand was forced in such a way. Once Dunkley nominated Brisbane, ridiculous AFL trade culture says that we basically just had to cop whatever they would give us. We tried to get players and the players refused.

Sending him to the PSD is madness. It was a crap deal, but it was the best we could do at the time.

[lemmon]

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Did it hurt them?



I would have preferred that we trade them early as per your actual suggestion but failing that if the other team is being a complete prick as Brisbane were than yes send him to PSD and wherever he ends up he ends up.

That's my point though - he still ends up at Brisbane. Like Martin still got to Carlton and Luke Ball got to Collingwood through the National Draft.

I think the most likely scenario if we followed through on that threat was that Dunkley puts himself into the National Draft, the Lions use the pick 21 that we got in the trade and we end up looking a bit stupid out of the whole thing.

'Send them into the draft' doesn't work because no club will touch a player who doesn't want to be there and burn their draft currency in the process - Collingwood was put into the same situation with Ollie Henry but at least we got some service out of Dunkley.

I genuinely can't think of a time when an out-of-contract player didn't get to the club they wanted to go to. Jade Rawlings maybe?

[JanLorMill]

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How do you stop him from getting to Brisbane? I think we're ignoring precedent - when was the last time an out-of-contract player didn't get to the club they wanted to go to?

Easy. We had a pick before Brisbane in the psd

[JanLorMill]

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That's my point though - he still ends up at Brisbane. Like Martin still got to Carlton and Luke Ball got to Collingwood through the National Draft.

I think the most likely scenario if we followed through on that threat was that Dunkley puts himself into the National Draft, the Lions use the pick 21 that we got in the trade and we end up looking a bit stupid out of the whole thing.

'Send them into the draft' doesn't work because no club will touch a player who doesn't want to be there and burn their draft currency in the process - Collingwood was put into the same situation with Ollie Henry but at least we got some service out of Dunkley.

I genuinely can't think of a time when an out-of-contract player didn't get to the club they wanted to go to. Jade Rawlings maybe?

Nick Stevens didn’t get to Collingwood. Geelong didn’t bend over for Kelly and now an average player like ratugulea. Essendon do it every trade season. GWS didn’t for Hooper and Tarranto. They are are heaps of others. They know we are push overs and get treated like it.