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    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by angelopetraglia
    The other crucial question for me.

    Has the club put the right team around Bevo? These things are difficult to judge. But on face value it feels like some of the bigger clubs have got more senior figures, better talent and more support for their football departments.

    Has Bevo resisted brining in other people? Has the club not been stronger enough? Have we not invested enough or in the right places?
    Ash Hansen, Gia and Brendan McCartney appear to have been big losses. Beyond that it's really hard to say.

    I wonder if it's possible for an assistant coach or fitness guy or psych to train mental toughness, because that feels like what we're missing.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65958

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by angelopetraglia
      The one thing I think we can all agree on.

      Has the club put the right team around Bevo? These things are difficult to judge. But on face value it feels like some of the bigger clubs have got more senior figures and more support for their football departments.
      AP, we lost by two points to last years Grand finalists (they only have a couple injured now) and 12points last week to the top team - so we are not in dire straights.

      In my opinion we lack a couple of real game breakers or as you said players/leaders that will take the game on at the right time.

      Defense is a real issue for us and it fell into a heap when Jones/JJ/Richards went down in that string of losses. We don't have many that can go back there and have to rely on Keath and Duryea. Duryea last night was appalling, his opponent kicked 4 last week and 4 this week and he dropped a vital chest mark in the last when we were surging forward.
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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 65958

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by JanLorMill
        The problems haven't just appeared this season since Lade got here.
        The midfield problems?
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        • bulldogsthru&thru
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • May 2011
          • 7706

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Originally posted by bornadog
          AP, we lost by two points to last years Grand finalists
          Last years grand finalists who were sitting 16th on the ladder heading into our clash and had just lost to 13th the week before.

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          • azabob
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2008
            • 15194

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by EasternWest



            I didn't watch/listen I just copy/pasted the main points that someone else quoted.
            I know you didn't...
            More of an In Bruges guy?

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            • EasternWest
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Aug 2009
              • 9988

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by azabob
              I know you didn't...
              Why on earth would I watch and get fully informed when I can go off half cocked and fight anyone that disagrees with me?
              "It's over. It's all over."

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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15194

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by EasternWest
                Why on earth would I watch and get fully informed when I can go off half cocked and fight anyone that disagrees with me?
                Well; you are just following someone elses lead.
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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                • JanLorMill
                  WOOF Member
                  • Feb 2023
                  • 1615

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  The midfield problems?
                  We had midfield issues before Lade got here. The opposition getting a run of goals started in 21 with Dunkley in it.

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                  • EasternWest
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 9988

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by azabob
                    Well; you are just following someone elses lead.
                    Do you want to fight me? It seems like you want to fight me? And even if you don't want to fight me, you're now going to.

                    Let's meet at the Yarraville nets. I'll be the handsome guy answering to the name "jeemak".

                    PS. jeemak I have a favour to ask you, can you pm me please?
                    "It's over. It's all over."

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                    • Bulldog Joe
                      Premiership Moderator
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5482

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Originally posted by JanLorMill
                      This is blame shifting, Bevo is the man.
                      angelo is questioning if Bevo has resisted having the experienced help we all talk about.

                      We don't know the answer but it is a valid question and Chris Grant should know that answer.
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                      • angelopetraglia
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 6774

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                        angelo is questioning if Bevo has resisted having the experienced help we all talk about.

                        We don't know the answer but it is a valid question and Chris Grant should know that answer.
                        Yes. Spot on. One of the many questions.

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                        • chef
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 14561

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                          What is the truth?

                          We have largely been an irrelevant club over the journey.

                          Bevo has made us relevant. We have played finals in 6 of 8 seasons. Two GFs. One Flag. That is the truth.

                          When Bevo arrived at the club the place was falling apart at the seams. Coach, captain and CEO all walked out the door. Did anyone rate our list? We finished 14th in 2014. We finished 15th in 2015. We finished 15th in 2014. We had not played finals for four years. That is the truth.

                          Bevo arrived. With a busted club and busted list. We go 14-8 season #1. Just lose a final. We go 15-7 season #2 and win the flag. Did Bevo have the best list in the land? No. I don't think anyone would support that. Is that luck? What type of revisionist history would say that Bevo got lucky. He turned this club 180 degrees out of nowhere. No one saw it coming or predicated it. That is the truth.

                          What is the truth now? Are the players playing for him? Definitely looks like it to me. Does he make some weird selection decisions. Yes. But he has done that since year #1. Does he try some players in different positions. Yes. But he has done that since year #1 too.

                          What are the other truths?
                          Great post mate.
                          The curse is dead.

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                          • DOG GOD
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 6378

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            We have a fwd line which lacks genuine fwds
                            We have a one paced midfield
                            We have a #1 ruckman who would be the BEST #2 ruckman in the AFL
                            We have Keath, Gardner, Bruce, Dureya and Jones as key backman. 4 of them wouldn?t get a game with most of the top 8.

                            We are in trouble. I can?t see us making the 8. Our draw is not as easy as it probably looks.
                            And I feel 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027 will be finals-less too.
                            I will never see #16 the same!!

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                            • G-Mo77
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9873

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                              The other crucial question for me.

                              Has the club put the right team around Bevo? These things are difficult to judge. But on face value it feels like some of the bigger clubs have got more senior figures, better talent and more support for their football departments.

                              Has Bevo resisted brining in other people? Has the club not been stronger enough? Have we not invested enough or in the right places?
                              Who chose the assistants? Does Bevo have a say in it? Spangher was a disgraceful choice, no experience at all and mates with our coach. Smells of his choice but that is where are Front Office should follow a process, don't think we did with these selections. Lade seems like a decent choice in the off season though. If Bevo stays we need different assistants with new ideas.

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 44183

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                Cornes is actually a big goose - he is constantly bagging Bevo.
                                Is he a goose because he bags Bevo or is it an overarching description?

                                What has he been saying about Bevo?
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