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  • angelopetraglia
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2008
    • 6774

    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by mjp
    You are 100% right but at the same time 100% wrong.

    This comment is kind of against type for me as I would generally say in games won/lost by less than a goal, all that's happened is the siren has gone at the RIGHT time for one team and the WRONG time for another team.

    Our losses aren't really like that though.

    We have good excuses for the GC defeat (one week Ballarat, next week Darwin?) and the Giants defeat (2x kpd's out of the game). I guess even the Swans game was away from home.

    In each defeat though the oppo is 'coming hard' late in the game...it is us 'trying to hold on'. Collingwood have become 'legends' (has a team without a flag ever been held in such esteem) because they 'ALWAYS' come back. For us? Well, we are ALWAYS vulnerable.

    Yes - if we had won those games then we would be top 4...at the same time, does anyone think we were EVER going to win those games? The players sure as hell didn't.
    I think we agree. This is my key point "But at critical times we didn't get the job done." . I'm not saying it is the luck of when the siren goes. I'm saying we needed to be better when it mattered.

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    • DOG GOD
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jul 2007
      • 6378

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by Mantis
      Why exclude Jones from this list? Jones is clearly a top 6-8 key defender when up and going he covers over cracks. Take Darcy Moore out of Collingwood's defence and see how they goes.
      Even with Jones I don?t rate our backline. Yes HE is good but that?s it. Others are VFL.
      Put it this way, I’d rather Collingwoods backline over ours every day of the week.
      I will never see #16 the same!!

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      • hujsh
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2007
        • 11820

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by DOG GOD
        Even with Jones I don?t rate our backline. Yes HE is good but that?s it. Others are VFL.
        Put it this way, I’d rather Collingwoods backline over ours every day of the week.
        Not sure a lot of VFL teams are running around with the likes of Richards, Dale and JJ. You could make that argument for the non-Jones Key defenders and maybe Dureya now he's bit old.
        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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        • jeemak
          Bulldog Legend
          • Oct 2010
          • 21539

          Re: Sharp Axes

          The continuity with our defence has been diabolical this year. So while we probably have good enough players to compete if they're all together, lose one, two or three of them and it gets really tough.
          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 65958

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by jeemak
            The continuity with our defence has been diabolical this year. So while we probably have good enough players to compete if they're all together, lose one, two or three of them and it gets really tough.
            But it is Bevo's fault
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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 21539

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by bornadog
              But it is Bevo's fault
              It's a bit of a circular argument, and I genuinely understand why people are frustrated with the list, the issues in game, week to week or whatever.

              Our failings or otherwise are never just down to one thing or area within the club.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • JanLorMill
                WOOF Member
                • Feb 2023
                • 1615

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by bornadog
                But it is Bevo's fault
                Yes. It’s his team

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 65958

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by JanLorMill
                  Yes. It’s his team
                  The first thing each week supporters say when we lose is sack Bevo. It is tiresome.

                  How about some genuine solutions for the remainder of the year?
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                  • JanLorMill
                    WOOF Member
                    • Feb 2023
                    • 1615

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    The first thing each week supporters say when we lose is sack Bevo. It is tiresome.

                    How about some genuine solutions for the remainder of the year?
                    Bevo got heaps of praise when we were winning too. Not to question his coaching when we are losing is just ignorance.
                    Solutions? Not sure what more we can do from the stands? It’s not like we stop barracking for the club because we may think the coach is getting it wrong.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65958

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Originally posted by JanLorMill
                      Bevo got heaps of praise when we were winning too. Not to question his coaching when we are losing is just ignorance.
                      Solutions? Not sure what more we can do from the stands? It’s not like we don’t stop barracking for the club because we may think the coach is getting it wrong.
                      Question tactics, game plans, etc no problems, suggest, discuss moves that would be great, but just plain sack the coach - it won't be happening
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                      • JanLorMill
                        WOOF Member
                        • Feb 2023
                        • 1615

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        Question tactics, game plans, etc no problems, suggest, discuss moves that would be great, but just plain sack the coach - it won't be happening
                        I think people are questioning tactics game plans, etc all decided by the coach.
                        Don’t worry too much, it’s hard to sack someone we just gave another 2 years.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 65958

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by JanLorMill
                          I think people are questioning tactics game plans, etc all decided by the coach.
                          Don’t worry too much, it’s hard to sack someone we just gave another 2 years.
                          Did you listen to KWW yesterday on why his contract was extended?
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                          • JanLorMill
                            WOOF Member
                            • Feb 2023
                            • 1615

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            Did you listen to KWW yesterday on why his contract was extended?
                            No but of course she is going to justify the decision.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 65958

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Originally posted by JanLorMill
                              No but of course she is going to justify the decision.
                              The club didn't want to be distracted the whole season on whether Bevo leaves next year. With both Richmond and GC looking for a coach then this was spot on. Just imagine the MSM every week talking about whether Bevo leaves.
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                              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                              • DOG GOD
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 6378

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by hujsh
                                Not sure a lot of VFL teams are running around with the likes of Richards, Dale and JJ. You could make that argument for the non-Jones Key defenders and maybe Dureya now he's bit old.
                                Yes that’s what I was referring to. The KPD
                                I will never see #16 the same!!

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