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[JanLorMill]

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Caro now lining up on Bevo (again) https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status...130970113?s=20

On field stuff Caro knows nothing though Right about being out coached Saturday.

[jeemak]

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Trying to figure out what out-coached means.

Was Bevo out-coaching Kingsley in the first half when both teams were not suffering from structural injuries that changed the entire complexion of the game? Or was that just the players doing what players do?

[JanLorMill]

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Trying to figure out what out-coached means.

Was Bevo out-coaching Kingsley in the first half when both teams were not suffering from structural injuries that changed the entire complexion of the game? Or was that just the players doing what players do?

Pre game great. During game out coached.
Structural injuries? We lost 2 average tall defenders, who were competing against some average tall forwards. We should have been able to cover that when you are 6 goals up on your home deck. That’s out coached.

[Hotdog60]

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On Treloar I think he maybe a bit gun shy due to his injury history and unless he has the ball in hand he won't push over the limit.
I think an indication on this was in the game were he thought he had pinged another hammy and throwing his mouth guard while going to the rooms only to play out the rest of the match.
Mentally I think he won't push the limits defensively which looks bad at times.
It makes it hard to know where to put him on the field because if the ball gets past him you can bet he won't be able to stop it.
Compared to Bont, Libba and Daniel who will bust a gut but just aren't quick enough. Smith tends to pick and choose who has shown he has acceleration but he decides when he wants to use it.
We need to find a kid who can breach the deficiencies of the above to complement what we have.

[1eyedog]

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On Treloar I think he maybe a bit gun shy due to his injury history and unless he has the ball in hand he won't push over the limit.
I think an indication on this was in the game were he thought he had pinged another hammy and throwing his mouth guard while going to the rooms only to play out the rest of the match.
Mentally I think he won't push the limits defensively which looks bad at times.
It makes it hard to know where to put him on the field because if the ball gets past him you can bet he won't be able to stop it.
Compared to Bont, Libba and Daniel who will bust a gut but just aren't quick enough. Smith tends to pick and choose who has shown he has acceleration but he decides when he wants to use it.
We need to find a kid who can breach the deficiencies of the above to complement what we have.

34 2 goals and 7 tackles suggests otherwise.

[1eyedog]

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Not sure why he did that, but I think it is common for Treloar.

He was probably cooked from just about being best on ground. Seriously, what more does this guy need to do he's been fantastic for us. I don't particularly care if he's invested in the fabric of the club or not he is a consummate professional and has been one of our better players all year.

If he doesn't want to be here well that's certainly not translating out on the field.

[GVGjr]

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He was probably cooked from just about being best on ground. Seriously, what more does this guy need to do he's been fantastic for us. I don't particularly care if he's invested in the fabric of the club or not he is a consummate professional and has been one of our better players all year.

If he doesn't want to be here well that's certainly not translating out on the field.

I'm a bit perplexed with why Treloar isn't regarded higher from a number of our supporters but there appears to be a high level of doubt about his dedication to the club and I don't see any evidence of that. I've previously wondered if it's his relationship with Dunkley that counts against him in the eyes of some of the supporters. From what I've seen he has fitted in well, very professional and is one of the hardest workers on the training track and on top of that he's had a pretty good season.

[Bullies]

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Pre game great. During game out coached.
Structural injuries? We lost 2 average tall defenders, who were competing against some average tall forwards. We should have been able to cover that when you are 6 goals up on your home deck. That?s out coached.

We also still had 3 on the bench so it wasn't like years ago where you were left with 1 on the bench if 2 went down. I still can't get how you can have everyone push up the ground when the opposition are kicking with the wind. Did we not learn from the Sydney game where all our backs pushed up in the last and Papley got loose. Same happened with Greene. That is up to the coaches in the box to see that we are pressing to high if not Bevo then the defensive coach.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'm a bit perplexed with why Treloar isn't regarded higher from a number of our supporters but there appears to be a high level of doubt about his dedication to the club and I don't see any evidence of that. I've previously wondered if it's his relationship with Dunkley that counts against him in the eyes of some of the supporters. From what I've seen he has fitted in well, very professional and is one of the hardest workers on the training track and on top of that he's had a pretty good season.

I don’t have the energy to defend every player, every time. But suffice to I say I’ve been happy with what he has brought to the table in his time with us. Not sure what else he needs to do. But to each their own.

[azabob]

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We also still had 3 on the bench so it wasn't like years ago where you were left with 1 on the bench if 2 went down. I still get how you can have everyone push up the ground when the opposition are kicking with the wind. Did we not learn from the Sydney game where all our backs pushed up in the last and Papley got loose. Same happened with Greene. That is up to the coaches in the box to see that we are pressing to high if not Bevo then the defensive coach.

I'm no where near savvy enough to know if we were out coached or not.

One would assume that the Papley scenario was a major learning out of the Sydney game and highlighted in the review. Assuming that is the case one could assume that the players "forgot" those learnings in the heat of the battle.

The other annoying thing is club runners are extremely limited on how often they can go on the field so the coaches may not have had an opportunity to re-enforce the message.

Either way as I said earlier we should have steadied at 3 quarter time and won the game by 2-3 goals. We just could not execute in our forward 50 when we had opportunities.

[GVGjr]

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We also still had 3 on the bench so it wasn't like years ago where you were left with 1 on the bench if 2 went down. I still get how you can have everyone push up the ground when the opposition are kicking with the wind. Did we not learn from the Sydney game where all our backs pushed up in the last and Papley got loose. Same happened with Greene. That is up to the coaches in the box to see that we are pressing to high if not Bevo then the defensive coach.

The interchange being capped protects a club that loses players early in a game so they're not quite as handicapped by being a player or two down. The other club might have a full bench but they still have as many changes available.

[Grantysghost]

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I'm a bit perplexed with why Treloar isn't regarded higher from a number of our supporters but there appears to be a high level of doubt about his dedication to the club and I don't see any evidence of that. I've previously wondered if it's his relationship with Dunkley that counts against him in the eyes of some of the supporters. From what I've seen he has fitted in well, very professional and is one of the hardest workers on the training track and on top of that he's had a pretty good season.

I took a while to warm to him.

I don't know why.

Maybe due to the way he left the Pies (not his fault) it kind of felt like he was forced to come to us, then the bromance thing was weird so that was probably enough.
Also I wasn't really keen to get him at the time.

Now. I love him, he's fully engaged, total pro as you say and playing some amazing footy in his proper position.
I still don't think we are utilising his main strength (run and carry) however I'm really happy he's with us.

[GVGjr]

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I took a while to warm to him.

I don't know why.

Maybe due to the way he left the Pies (not his fault) it kind of felt like he was forced to come to us, then the bromance thing was weird so that was probably enough.
Also I wasn't really keen to get him at the time.

Now. I love him, he's fully engaged, total pro as you say and playing some amazing footy in his proper position.
I still don't think we are utilising his main strength (run and carry) however I'm really happy he's with us.

You've probably nailed the reasons why some don't appreciate him. I think one other thing that factors in with some of our supporters is the money that he is on but in fairness to him he back ended his contract at the request of Collingwood thinking that would help them out. Ultimately that show of faith probably worked against him.

Like Grundy he could have pointed to his contract and said it's not my issue to Collingwood but he read the play and explored his options. If your employer isn't keen on you it's time to make the move and then make the most of it and I think he's done that very well. I was really disappointed in the way Buckley conveyed the reasons for them pushing him out and said that they believed his wife and child being away from him for 3 months of the year would be a problem for him and effect his football and from what Ive seen that was never a valid reason.

[D Mitchell]

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On field stuff Caro knows nothing though Right about being out coached Saturday.

Which she freely acknowledges. Her niche is issues, what others say about issues and policy. There's room for that. There are enough semi articulate former players telling us what we can already see on the screen.

[Sedat]

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Which she freely acknowledges. Her niche is issues, what others say about issues and policy. There's room for that. There are enough semi articulate former players telling us what we can already see on the screen.

Her niche is muck-raking. She offers nothing to the sport or to actual journalism.

All you need to know about Caro and her 'principles' is when she hung the partners of Tim Membrey and Seb Ross out to dry because they had the nerve to want their partners by their side at the birth of their children when they were stuck in the Qld bubble during COVID. She is a low-rent, reprehensible person in a low-rent, reprehensible industry. Nothing she says is worth hearing.